Pope, Russian Orthodox patriarch to meet

[Mongo]

There are many issues, even with the Greek Orthodox. A big possibility? No, not big; but it is clear that there are issues with the Russian Orthodox which cause a completely different tenor in any conversations from those conversations With the Greek Orthodox.

At the bottom line, all three believe in the Holy Spirit. And the Holy Spirit blows where it will, not necessarily where any of the three would have it. Christ’s prayer was “that all may be one, Father, as you are one in me and I am one in you.” One might think that still applies,

What “one” means may not be what you, or I, or either of us envisions. Hopefully, the Roman Church has learned something over the last 10 centuries.

And I am not sure that “sever” is a prerequisite for unity.

Without (hopefully) descending into disparaging remarks by anyone concerning the Eastern rites in union with Rome, It really wasn’t until John Paul 2 became Pope that the legitimacy of the Eastern liturgies and theology were acknowledged. For wahtever the source - all too many Italians at the helm or whatever the source, Latinization was the keyword until he said “Enough!”. And in the scope of history and time, that was yesterday, or maybe this morning.

There is no question we still have our own house cleaning to get on with.

So no, I don’t see it as sudden, and I don’t know that sever would be appropriate.

The Greeks can’t be in union with both Moscow and Rome. They mutually exclusive communions. To declare union with Rome would be equivalent to breaking communion with Moscow.

While pope JPII was good toward eastern Catholics, he wasn’t to first to oppose latinization. Vatican II had a document on the eastern churches and their traditions. The document Orientalium Ecclesiarum was promulgated at the council. Later, Pope JPII wrote Orientale Lumen.

 

[otjm]

The Greeks can’t be in union with both Moscow and Rome. They mutually exclusive communions. To declare union with Rome would be equivalent to breaking communion with Moscow.

The terms were sudden and sever. I didn’t, and wouldn’t, pass on what reconciliation with Rome would look like, nor what it might require within the Orthodox realm.

While pope JPII was good toward eastern Catholics, he wasn’t to first to oppose latinization. Vatican II had a document on the eastern churches and their traditions. The document Orientalium Ecclesiarum was promulgated at the council. Later, Pope JPII wrote Orientale Lumen.

The document, from my recollection, was not making a whole lot of headway when he stepped in - but it has been a few decades since. My impression was that he felt or saw that implementation was not moving forward with vigor.

 

[Ironcross13]

Why did the churches spilt?
This is the first time i heard of the Russian church how different are they?

 

[zz912]

What continent do you think Cuba is a part of?

As FYI, Cuba is part of North America, both geographically and scientifically

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Plate

I’m well aware, thank you. My point was that they are flying all the way over to this hemisphere. And I was asking why no other country between there and here would work. Why they chose Cuba of all places.

As others have noted, there is a connection of some sort because of old Soviet ties. Seems odd considering how oppressive communism was to the Christian faith.

 

[Zabdi_Premjit]

Why did the churches spilt?
This is the first time i heard of the Russian church how different are they?

The Western bishops and Eastern bishops separated largely over disagreement about what Papal primacy entailed. The Pope and the Western portions of the Church pushed for a much more powerful Papacy, which the Eastern bishops rejected on the grounds that it went beyond what was considered to be the traditional prerogatives of the Papal See.

 

[Ironcross13]

The Western bishops and Eastern bishops separated largely over disagreement about what Papal primacy entailed. The Pope and the Western portions of the Church pushed for a much more powerful Papacy, which the Eastern bishops rejected on the grounds that it went beyond what was considered to be the traditional prerogatives of the Papal See.

So i take it there is massive differences now in both churches.

 

[Zabdi_Premjit]

So i take it there is massive differences now in both churches.

Depends on who you ask. The East tend to view the differences as much more substantive than the West. The West used to view them as more substantive too, but in our times, the West has increasingly taken a “same difference” approach to most of the dividing issues. Though, the understanding of the proper role of the Pope remains a substantive issue to both sides.