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Ahimsa
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Did his lips actually touch the book? I’m not sure if JPII was one to ‘kiss-and-tell’.
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Franze
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These debates are byzantines, Islam is a false religion but with these debates, we are only weakening our religion saying that the Pope is falling in heresy. One thing is the constructive critics and another is the auto-flagelation.
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Man
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Language is often a difficult thing. The small h holy has a different meaning than “Holy Bible.” Besides, it is called “Holy Quran” in the title. People make huges deals of these things.
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Jeanette_L
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People are always looking for an “Ah Ha!!!” moment, one they can point to and say “I told you those Catholics (or these post Vatican 2 Popes!) were up to no good” especially the conspiracy buffs and the anti-Catholic communities. It’s really pretty comical, like watching clowns run around in circles chasing invisible bogy-men with quirt guns.
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tcraig
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Yes, and many people often forget that English is not the Holy Father’s native language. Additionally, translations from one language to another are often nuanced; sometimes it’s difficult to translate the exact meaning, so the translator chooses the best or closest word.
That’s why “proof-texting” every statement like so many do is simply ridiculous.
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ElliottWright
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Unfortunatley, I have read the Koran and theirs no way one could consider it holy, the Holy Father was once again wrongly interpreted as often is the problem.
After all, the Korans author was a war mongering paedophile!
After all, the Korans author was a war mongering paedophile!
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Man
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You should find more respect for Mohammad. How can you ever expect to have a reasonable discussion with such venom.
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ElliottWright
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I do not look for discussion with nayone who looks as this man as a prophet, after all any man that consummates a marriage with the six year old aisha is a paedophile and his countless military expeditions show him as war mongering. Its not a matter of repect, its just about being bluntly truthful.
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Man
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It’s always interesting to read what someone thinks about Islam based on (check this out):
Reading and interpreting the Koran for themselves.
That is awesome.
I guess I’ll get into that. The age of having conjugal relations with Aisha is “unclear” according to many “Islamic Scholars.” And you assume that Mohammad was traveling across the peaceful, heaven-like territory of the middle east and decided to subjugate the passive, pious people there for his own glory.
Reading and interpreting the Koran for themselves.
That is awesome.
I guess I’ll get into that. The age of having conjugal relations with Aisha is “unclear” according to many “Islamic Scholars.” And you assume that Mohammad was traveling across the peaceful, heaven-like territory of the middle east and decided to subjugate the passive, pious people there for his own glory.
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DanteAlighieri
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I don’t think so. By that rationale, the Encyclopedia Britannica should be considered partially holy.
Peace,
Dante
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ElliottWright
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Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:It’s always interesting to read what someone thinks about Islam based on (check this out):
Reading and interpreting the Koran for themselves.
That is awesome.
I guess I’ll get into that. The age of having conjugal relations with Aisha is “unclear” according to many “Islamic Scholars.” And you assume that Mohammad was traveling across the peaceful, heaven-like territory of the middle east and decided to subjugate the passive, pious people there for his own glory.
'A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that ‘Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)’
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
doesnt seem unclear to me
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Man
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Easy.
Before you make this sort of judgment, you must put yourself in the position of those involved.
Aisha may have been very grateful to be betrothed to Mohammad.
It is likely that girls of the sixth century knew a great deal more about conjugal relations that girls of this century.
If this is true, and given that Mohammad was the law, if Mohammad “was the law” then he had to make the determination of whether or not her age precluded her from her rights under marriage.
Thus, while I can disagree with his judgment, in any case, within our culture, I can conceive of a situation where it was not “pedophilia” but responsibility that brought about his disgrace…
Before you make this sort of judgment, you must put yourself in the position of those involved.
Aisha may have been very grateful to be betrothed to Mohammad.
It is likely that girls of the sixth century knew a great deal more about conjugal relations that girls of this century.
If this is true, and given that Mohammad was the law, if Mohammad “was the law” then he had to make the determination of whether or not her age precluded her from her rights under marriage.
Thus, while I can disagree with his judgment, in any case, within our culture, I can conceive of a situation where it was not “pedophilia” but responsibility that brought about his disgrace…
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Jean_Anthony
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Please return to the original topic or I will have to close the thread. Thank you.
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