Pope says that JW's are doing the preaching

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Baptism?

I have asked the friendly JW’s here to tell me Word For Word how the Baptism rite now is currently stated.

They wont. Guess why?

Ha ha.

They dont want to tell you cuz they know it is Warped.😃
 
I guess I was just not sarcastic enough. Ya, I know about the JW’s. When I lived in North Philly, I made attempts on evangelizing since there seemed to be so many in the neighborhood where I lived for a time. It truly is a sad, sad state to be in. No, Damascus, no need to write more.

I was also annoyed that the JW posted and ran and I was venting my frustrations with the obnoxious sarcasm. Hope it doesn’t get me tossed off the boards, truly, but I just don’t “get it”, I cannot understand how such lies and misinformation are believed. makes me want to go back to using 4 letter words… even 5, like IDIOT… talk about lambs being led to the slaughter. those sad, sad people.

In Jesus through Mary,
Patti
 
Pattic,

I know you mean the Orginization when you say that, maybe that was not clear, but I think we all here Know that you meant the Org—👍
 
I think the “preaching” that means anything in the end is giving the truth to someone.

If you preach heresy every moment of your waking life, even if you are sincerely thinking its “truth” you are NOT doing a single thing to Honour or Glorify or Magnify HIS name.

You are pulling others into deception, even unkowingly.

That is why I contend that “preaching” is not for everyone especially not for those who have not “done the homework” and relied on ONE version of the “truth” as told to them by an “orginization” that can trace themselves back to a sinner.

I opt for the Church Christ founded, not a SINNER.

Amen.
 
The JWs are very anti-Catholic. If you read some of Rutherford’s diatribes against the Catholic Church you will see the extent of their anti-Catholic history.

What is most interesting however, is how they like to sound like the Catholic Church though. The people who work at their World Headquarters are said to belong to a “religious order” and these volunteers are even said to have taken a “vow of poverty”. In a court case in Texas they claimed that their religion had a heirarchy so that they could keep control of a local Kingdom Hall whose elders had decided to leave the JWs. And, more recently, they are claiming that the elders are clergymen and that when members of the congregation tell the elders about their sins they are confessing their sins to the elders and therefore the elders should not have to reveal this information to the secular authorities.

So, it appears, that the JWs when it suits them would like to give the appearance that they are very much like Catholics.

It really is weird.

Jeff S.
www.catholicxjw.com
 
Wait a minute Jeff—

They Really Really dont like the idea of confession (even though the Old version of what they did really was a sort of confession in a strange sense)

But heres the “rub”- how do they inform or teach this “new light” to the newbies let alone the ones who have been in it for the long haul?

this is shocking, but- not that so, as I have never heard even a Die Hard JW have no bitter feelings about the disfellowshiping process, not a one in person, but they never pipe up to say it in “public” do they?

I am glad you posted that because my connections are “weak” in their faith with the Jw’s now.

here is why:

Baptism changes - and the rest I await to tell Jw Truth if and when it gets that far.

St. John The Baptist, I pray to you now to help them see Christian Baptism in the way you showed us!
 
Can some one direct me to the Church’s official on weather or not one can call JW" Christians.
 
geraldffff said:
Can some one direct me to the Church’s official on weather or not one can call JW" Christians.
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I’m not sure that there is such a teaching, and so whether or not we call JW’s “Christians” depends simply on our definition of our word “Christian”. If by “Christian” you mean someone mysteriously unified to the Catholic Church through a valid baptism, then the JW’s would not be called Christians because they do not have a valid baptism. If however, you define a “Christian” as someone who is trying or thinks he is following the teaching of Jesus Christ, then a JW is a Christian. Note too that if you prefer the second definition, then Muslims are essentially Christians too.
 
PattiC said:
I guess I was just not sarcastic enough. Ya, I know about the JW’s. When I lived in North Philly, I made attempts on evangelizing since there seemed to be so many in the neighborhood where I lived for a time. It truly is a sad, sad state to be in. No, Damascus, no need to write more.

I was also annoyed that the JW posted and ran and I was venting my frustrations with the obnoxious sarcasm. Hope it doesn’t get me tossed off the boards, truly, but I just don’t “get it”, I cannot understand how such lies and misinformation are believed. makes me want to go back to using 4 letter words… even 5, like IDIOT… talk about lambs being led to the slaughter. those sad, sad people.

In Jesus through Mary,
Patti
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I think it is a mistake to underestimate Jw’s as Idiot’s. My older JW brother is intelligent and articulate much more so than I. It is not his ability to learn that is the problem but his unwillingness to learn. The thought of no Hell is very enticing for obvious reasons, I think. The people who write the watch tower are master’s of manipulation and self deception, I think.
 
Atreyu said:
I’m not sure that there is such a teaching, and so whether or not we call JW’s “Christians” depends simply on our definition of our word “Christian”. If by “Christian” you mean someone mysteriously unified to the Catholic Church through a valid baptism, then the JW’s would not be called Christians because they do not have a valid baptism. If however, you define a “Christian” as someone who is trying or thinks he is following the teaching of Jesus Christ, then a JW is a Christian. Note too that if you prefer the second definition, then Muslims are essentially Christians too.
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Thank you. I had hoped for a more precise answer as I would not define them as Christians but if my memory serves me right I believe I have heard clergy define them as Christians. I of coarse was shocked and dismayed as I had told my brother that I did not think he could apply the name of Christian to his beliefs. See my delima? On another note I just finished responding to my brother that sent me a copy of a utube image simmular to the ones that began this thread. It was a truncated statement by Pat Robertson which my brother was using to try to prove the validity for their use of the title Jehovah. This utube was posted on a site that promotes abortion, Homosexual marriage ect. What strange bed fellows thoese JW’s are sleeping with to make their points. Or mabye it’s not so strange.
 
Wow the link the jwtruth left leads to a link on utube where a JW tells about his abuse by a Jw elder and tell of the coverup.

My Molester was a Jehovah’s Witness Elder until a short time
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I am so sorry but they are a Cult.

Just wanna clear it up now.

No Cross, No trinity= Cult, I could go on.

If they were true Christians then “special” measures would not be needed in dealing with Yessian’s problems –

That sanation thingy.

ouchless
 
geraldffff said:
Wow the link the jwtruth left leads to a link on utube where a JW tells about his abuse by a Jw elder and tell of the coverup.

My Molester was a Jehovah’s Witness Elder until a short time
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Ya ya. They can say hey! How many Catholic Priests do that?

you see, silent lambs is not a secret anymore either.

And they dont push it, they key in on Anglicans and …

make innuendo about us, but the point is clear.

The homosexuality thing is what I have been chomping at the bit for, to discuss how they deal with it.

One day. Someone may address it. :rolleyes:
 
Reuben_J said:
In a few sentences would you mind telling us what’s JW all about?🙂

For the sake of discussion - one of the belief of the Catholic Church is reflected nicely in this prayer which the priest recited everyday in our worship:
“Deliever us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day. In your mercy keep us free from sin and protect us from all anxiety as we wait in joyful hope for the coming of our Savior, Jesus Christ”.

You see, Catholics are waiting joyfully and expectantly for the coming of our Lord. It’s understood that the coming of Jesus constitutes the end of the world. Much less than afraid of the end of the world, we are looking forward to it. Do you?
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Oh dear, I was hoping for some enlightments from the OP about JW and there seems none is coming. What a chance wasted in trying to save a Catholic!

Oh well.
 
Damascus said:
I am so sorry but they are a Cult.

Just wanna clear it up now.

No Cross, No trinity= Cult, I could go on.

If they were true Christians then “special” measures would not be needed in dealing with Yessian’s problems –

That sanation thingy.

ouchless
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And to add to the weirdness…

You have to include also within your definition that they are also a Corporation. They have set up themselves operating as several different corporations. Their business’ main function is not a religious one but rather in the publishing business for their magazines, bibles, study materials, cds, and videos. Their members (the average JW on the street) are also called “publishers”. Why are they called that when they don’t “publish” anything but only give out stuff door to door? That’s an answer that I will never know.

From top to bottom, they do resemble a business more than a religion - only its employees do not get paid. The employees work for free trying to recruit new employees so that they can also donate to the society, buy their magazines, buy their bibles, and buy their study materials. As jwtruth stated previously, the mags and pamphlets are given freely (although relunctantly to heads of the society if you read up on its history) to the average householder (you or I). This is pretty much the same business model that a lot of companies have - free sample before you buy in (except the watchtower society doesn’t have to worry about having a budget for a marketing department - they already have free labor to distribute their stuff). Plus, they get to operate as a religious organization in terms of tax exemption savings and laws designed to protect religious organizations.

If I were to start a cult, I’d certainly copy their business model. BUT I worry too much about the status of my soul for that to EVER happen. :eek:
 
geraldffff said:
Thank you. I had hoped for a more precise answer as I would not define them as Christians but if my memory serves me right I believe I have heard clergy define them as Christians. I of coarse was shocked and dismayed as I had told my brother that I did not think he could apply the name of Christian to his beliefs. See my delima? On another note I just finished responding to my brother that sent me a copy of a utube image simmular to the ones that began this thread. It was a truncated statement by Pat Robertson which my brother was using to try to prove the validity for their use of the title Jehovah. This utube was posted on a site that promotes abortion, Homosexual marriage ect. What strange bed fellows thoese JW’s are sleeping with to make their points. Or mabye it’s not so strange.
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For me, if someone wants to be called Christian, then I’ll call them Christian. If they don’t want to be called Christian, then I won’t call them Christian. Nice and easy.
 
Atreyu said:
For me, if someone wants to be called Christian, then I’ll call them Christian. If they don’t want to be called Christian, then I won’t call them Christian. Nice and easy.
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But to do that is an insult to those of us who consider ourselves Christian (Catholics and our Protestant brothers) and waters down what the accepted definition of what a Christian is.

They themselves named Jehovah’s Witnesses ---- not Christ’s Witnesses. There is a reason for that.
 
Ha!! You wish the Pope had said that!!!

Anywho… so can any JW tell me why they go about and lie about this?

I had a JW pioneer and her helper tell me that the Governing Body sends ALL their literature to the Vatican before its printed and distributed. That they need the Pope’s ok before they go ahead and print any material, just to make sure the information is correct.

I brough this up to a few JWs and said it’s true, that they do send their material to the Vatican, some said no, including my DH. So, these people lie to your face, lie to their people, lie about their actions, lie, lie, lie. ALL LIES!!!

If this were true, then aren’t they agreeing that the CC is the true Church? But then again, their last tract attacked Catholic priests as sex predators, so, do you really believe the Pope would agree to have this printed??? Absolutely NOT!

I had asked this before but only get Catholics to answer, wonder why…

Going back to the OP’s post… Do you think the Pope is saying the JWs ARE doing the preaching… NO WAY… so, why come here, leave a post, and not come back to answer our questions if what you are doing is right???

Ughhh… I guess I waste my time answering to these posts… OR maybe we care enough to try to show jwtrust and all the other JW posters that WE do know the TRUTH and that they are assuming Catholics are indoctrinated… that said, I’m done, bye bye…
 
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