Pope Says: To Be Catholic Means In the Church

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“You can be a Catholic only in the church, not standing beside it, the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger once remarked. The now Pope Benedict XVI felt this belief sufficiently important to give it some prominence in the brief curriculum vitae posted by the Vatican after his election to the Holy See four months ago. For the new pontiff, the unquestioned authority of the church and personal practice of the faith are indivisible. …”

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Yet that long ago ceased to be true for much of his flock. This week saw mixed reviews for Benedict’s first overseas visit since he was chosen as the successor to John Paul II – a return to his native Germany for National Youth Day. Much of the media comment seemed a little unfair, contrasting the somewhat stilted appearances of the donnish 78-year-old theology professor with the natural charisma of his predecessor.
Teaser news. I didn’t want to register to hear the rest of it.

Does anyone know where to find an authoritative source for whatever he said, that’s complete enough to understand what it’s supposed to mean, that does not require registration? I don’t like registering for a lot of stuff because I get enough spam already. These things give you options not to get emails but those options, I’m convinced, are most often placebos.

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Yet that long ago ceased to be true for much of his flock. This week saw mixed reviews for Benedict’s first overseas visit since he was chosen as the successor to John Paul II – a return to his native Germany for National Youth Day. Much of the media comment seemed a little unfair, contrasting the somewhat stilted appearances of the donnish 78-year-old theology professor with the natural charisma of his predecessor.
Teaser news. I didn’t want to register to hear the rest of it.

Does anyone know where to find an authoritative source for whatever he said, that’s complete enough to understand what it’s supposed to mean, that does not require registration? I don’t like registering for a lot of stuff because I get enough spam already. These things give you options not to get emails but those options, I’m convinced, are most often placebos.
(No comment on the story itself, but: )

*“Overseas”!? *Have the alps been submerged while I was not looking? :eek: 😛

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tee_eff_em said:
(No comment on the story itself, but: )

*“Overseas”!? *Have the alps been submerged while I was not looking? :eek: 😛

To avoid the hassles of (free) registration-required sites, look into bugmenot.com and mailinator.com 👍

tee

Hey, thanks for the web sites. I might try one out!

Alan
 
HagiaSophia said:
"You can be a Catholic only in the church, not standing beside it, the then Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger once remarked.

Standing in a Church makes you no more Catholic than standing in a garage makes you a car.

Nohome
 
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Nohome:
Standing in a Church makes you no more Catholic than standing in a garage makes you a car.

Nohome
No, why not? the eucharisty is more important, we know that we have to be perfect, but we have to remember that we are sinners, we, many times, fail to God.
 
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Franze:
No, why not?
Because one needs to live their faith, not just show up on Sunday, do thier time and forget about Christ until next Sunday.
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Franze:
the eucharisty is more important, we know that we have to be perfect, but we have to remember that we are sinners, we, many times, fail to God.
The Eucharist is the center of the Catholic faith. Many in the pews do not know this and many were never taught this doctrine. They show up, call themselves Catholic, eat and drink then return to a secular life.

Fifty years ago 75% of American Catholics went to Mass every week, but only about half of those would receive communion. Today about 25% attend Mass, but nearly everyone receives communion.
 
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Nohome:
Standing in a Church makes you no more Catholic than standing in a garage makes you a car.

Nohome
I think you misunderstand what is being said, but then you are standing next to the church as a former catholic.

When he says church I believe he is talking about the institution of the Catholic Church, not an actual building.

To stand with the church means you are a Catholic who holds to what the church Teaches. To stand next to it means you don’t.
 
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ByzCath:
I think you misunderstand what is being said, but then you are standing next to the church as a former catholic.
Oh, I think I understand perfectly. It is my point that is being misunderstood. It has been my observation that many of the Catholics I saw going to Church were about as Catholic as me, but I was more honest about it.

Nohome
 
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Nohome:
Oh, I think I understand perfectly. It is my point that is being misunderstood. It has been my observation that many of the Catholics I saw going to Church were about as Catholic as me, but I was more honest about it.

Nohome
One thing I have taught my children is that honesty is not always the best policy.

For example, I was over 40 years old before I came to the realization that people don’t mean what they say – especially people in positions of authority – and that when they say, “we really want to hear what you think” that’s not what they mean. I was one of those dumb enough I never got the message, and it did not serve me well.

Now I teach my children that most of the time when their teachers asks this question, it really means, “can you recite what I want to hear you say?” I tell them to know the truth, seek the truth, but don’t necessarily speak the truth because it can get you hurt very badly if you don’t know how these “code phrases” work.

It turns out that many people seem to think I was naive. I really was. For years, I took heat from teachers (mostly grade school nuns – after high school it was pretty much OK) and from bosses, from women, and from other people, because I tried to honestly go about answering their questions and discovering their truth. My first struggle with any authority figure was over an issue with math where the teacher clearly did not understand but I did, so I ended up in trouble. Only in the last couple years since my dad died have I learned that teacher admitted to them at parent-teacher conference, through tears, that she found me to be a difficult student – and that no, she really didn’t know the right answer.

It is my belief that most children are not nearly as naive as I was, and by the time they get to high school the vast majority of them are experts at acting cooperative and keeping their opinions to themselves – or to the Internet nowadays! 😛

Alan
 
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Nohome:
Oh, I think I understand perfectly. It is my point that is being misunderstood. It has been my observation that many of the Catholics I saw going to Church were about as Catholic as me, but I was more honest about it.

Nohome
That I can agree with and now I understand your point.
 
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Nohome:
Because one needs to live their faith, not just show up on Sunday, do thier time and forget about Christ until next Sunday.

The Eucharist is the center of the Catholic faith. Many in the pews do not know this and many were never taught this doctrine. They show up, call themselves Catholic, eat and drink then return to a secular life.

Fifty years ago 75% of American Catholics went to Mass every week, but only about half of those would receive communion. Today about 25% attend Mass, but nearly everyone receives communion.
Well, I know that the Catholic Church has problems to cathequize the people and yes, we are christians, everytime, not only on Sundays in the eucharisty, but God, like a father and a friend of us, waits us on Sundays because like a friend, God wants our visit.
And yes I know that confession are bad.
But the doctrine isn´t false although few people make it.
Greetings, I pray for you.
 
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Nohome:
Oh, I think I understand perfectly. It is my point that is being misunderstood. It has been my observation that many of the Catholics I saw going to Church were about as Catholic as me, but I was more honest about it.

Nohome
Life must be very unpleasant when you look at everything in the worst possible light. One very important tennant of the Catholic faith is Charity. Try giving people, institutions, even yourself the benefot of the doubt from time to time. I think you will be surprised at the results.
 
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