Pope shows no mercy as he blasts Rome mayor as a 'pretend Catholic'

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The principle of subsidiarity has to do with the order of society, not with the order of the clergy. The pope has universal and immediate jurisdiction over the whole Church. He can interfere with local churches whenever he wants. And he is free to rebuke political rulers all over the world as he sees fit.
The Church is also a society and a mystery. One of the Pope’s most important titles is, Servant of the Servants of God, and each bishop(Servant of God), is sovereign in his own diocese and is theologically equal to every other bishop, even though the Pope is also first among equals.

The Pope does not and should not interfere with the local bishop who is acting within his own authority.
 
Yes, but as the pope he does have direct authority over the bishops, and it is correct for him to rebuke them as he sees fit. Rebuking the U.S. Congress would be quite another matter.
How better to teach than by example? Of course the headline is goofy, but the substance of the actions can show a proper response of a bishop to Catholic politicians.
 
Oh I agree, but if you read the posts in the thread, you’ll see many claiming the Pope was not saying that Doctrine must be taught with an equal amount of love in doing so.

Specifically, you can see what Neofight and ComplineSanFran believe he was saying:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=13304209#post13304209
"8. And so the Apostolic preaching, which is expressed in a special way in the inspired books, was to be preserved by an unending succession of preachers until the end of time. For there is a growth in the understanding of the realities of the words which have been handed down. This happens through the contemplation and study made by believers, who treasure these things in their hearts (see Luke, 2:19, 51) through a penetrating understanding of the spiritual realities they experience, and of the preaching of those who have received through Episcopol succession the sure gift of truth. For as the centuries succeed one another, the Church constantly moves forward toward the fullness of divine truth until the words of God reach their complete fullfillment in her."

–Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation ‘Dei Verbum’, Solemnly Promulgated by His Holiness Pope Paul VI on November 18, 1965

This is Catholic dogma. It is an error to rely on solely on doctrine. It is not necessarily set in concrete.
 
I think a better way to put it is teach doctrine with love, and clarify love with doctine.

I really don’t think you can separate the two, or completely focus on one to the exclusion of the other.

God is Love, and He is Truth. And so the two can’t be separated.
This reminds me of what Bishop Barron said during his Keynote at the World Meeting of Families…

Catholics need to be 100% for the law (divine law and church law) and 100% for mercy at the exact same time.

He said “we love red and we love white, and have a healthy distain for pink.” He said that too many Catholics focus on Mercy and not enough on the Law, or they focus on the Law and not enough on Mercy.

He said we have to love the law and enforce the law at all times, while be merciful at the same time.

As an example, he used his seminary class on confession. His professor asked, “what do you say when someone comes into your confessional and says he committed murder?” Bishop Barron said, “you reply with ‘How many times?’ You don’t reply with ‘oh, and run out of the confessional.’ Even if the person says 20 times, if he is contrite and honestly seeking God’s forgives, God and His Church will provide the murderer mercy.”

We are 100% against murder, we are also merciful towards the repentant murderer.
 
"8. And so the Apostolic preaching, which is expressed in a special way in the inspired books, was to be preserved by an unending succession of preachers until the end of time. For there is a growth in the understanding of the realities of the words which have been handed down. This happens through the contemplation and study made by believers, who treasure these things in their hearts (see Luke, 2:19, 51) through a penetrating understanding of the spiritual realities they experience, and of the preaching of those who have received through Episcopol succession the sure gift of truth. For as the centuries succeed one another, the Church constantly moves forward toward the fullness of divine truth until the words of God reach their complete fullfillment in her."

–Dogmatic Constitution on Divine Revelation ‘Dei Verbum’, Solemnly Promulgated by His Holiness Pope Paul VI on November 18, 1965

This is Catholic dogma. It is an error to rely on solely on doctrine. It is not necessarily set in concrete.
But that is a separate topic. Dogma was not discussed or addressed in this case.

The discussion was whether or not the Bishops need to remove the teaching of doctrine to the faithful and replace that teaching with expressions of love for the faithful. I maintain you cannot separate the two. The choice is not one or the other, even if doctrine is not set in concrete.
 
Oh I agree, but if you read the posts in the thread, you’ll see many claiming the Pope was not saying that Doctrine must be taught with an equal amount of love in doing so.

Specifically, you can see what Neofight and ComplineSanFran believe he was saying:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?p=13304209#post13304209
Mercy and Church Law (doctrine, etc) must be taught 100% at the same time.

The problem, as per my previous post about Bishop Barron, is that too many (priests and bishops included) focus on either Mercy without the Law, or the Law without Mercy.

This is like saying Jesus is fully man and only partly God, or that He is fully God and only partly man. Jesus is fully man and fully God at the exact same time. And that’s how we must act when talking about the faith. Fully in for the Law and fully in for Mercy.

God Bless
 
The Church is also a society and a mystery. One of the Pope’s most important titles is, Servant of the Servants of God, and each bishop(Servant of God), is sovereign in his own diocese and is theologically equal to every other bishop, even though the Pope is also first among equals.

The Pope does not and should not interfere with the local bishop who is acting within his own authority.
Hello,

I think it’s best to not use the term “sovereign” in regard to a diocesan bishop and “first among equals” in regard to the Pope.

…and I still see no reason to think the story in the OP is remotely true.

Dan
 
But that is a separate topic. Dogma was not discussed or addressed in this case.

The discussion was whether or not the Bishops need to remove the teaching of doctrine to the faithful and replace that teaching with expressions of love for the faithful. I maintain you cannot separate the two. The choice is not one or the other, even if doctrine is not set in concrete.
I agree the two cannot correctly be separated. The point was that the significance of the dogmatic constitution ‘Dei Verbum’ could hardly be overstated, and it would seem CatholicIsm in the modern world could not be understood apart from its teaching. I see it as essential to an understanding of Pope Francis. That was all.
 
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