Pope St. Pius X and women being in the choir

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that’s just it, I’m really having a hard time figuring out why he thought women could not exercise this liturgical function even going so far to say that they are incapable of doing so, if he thought that non-clerics could form a choir. and how he puts it makes it seem like he is appealing to something more than just tradition
 
do you think he was trying to say that the lay stand-ins should resemble clerics as much as possible, and that is why he was not permitting women?

I’ve seen that line of reasoning used for male altar servers only and also for choosing traditionally men for the foot-washing ceremony
 
It sounds like that’s what he’s saying… traditionally there was a sense that even lay altar servers were really just “standing in” for ordained acolytes or subdeacons, and thus had to be men, as at least they had the potential to be ordained such…
 
I don’t think that was uncommon actually, you said so yourself, a person was a cleric upon tonsure, there’s no reason a group of tonsured seminarians now part of minor orders couldn’t be a schola of clerics.

otherwise, I really don’t get his reasoning, it just doesn’t make sense
 
I don’t think that was uncommon actually, you said so yourself, a person was a cleric upon tonsure, there’s no reason a group of tonsured seminarians now part of minor orders couldn’t be a schola of clerics.
In a local parish? No. In a seminary, perhaps, but in your neighborhood parish?
 
Normatively, any city parish would have had a large number of acolytes, subdeacons, at least one deacon, and probably three or four priests. Some churches would be run by canons, which were a decent sized number of priests (in a religious order or given funds by a bequest) dedicated primarily to singing the Office and the Mass every day. So, say ten or twenty singing priests. Also, many churches would be staffed by orders of monks or friars, so even if there were only a few priests, there would be tons of guys singing the Office and the Mass every day.

At the cathedral, which usually had seminarians as part of the bishop’s household or in the seminary next to his house, part of seminary training was learning to sing the Mass and the Office. If you had a cathedral school attached, they gave boys a good education in exchange for using them as choir sopranos and altos; and of course, a kid who already knew how to sing the Mass and the Office was halfway to becoming a priest, if he decided to go to the seminary. But again, you would be practically crawling over clerics with singing voices. (And a good singing voice was a sign you might have a vocation, while a bad singing voice made it less likely.)

But smaller parishes would usually have a priest or two, or a deacon, or someone who could be a cantor. So you didn’t need a choir if you had a cantor.

We are experiencing a bit of a priest, monk, and friar shortage at the moment, which is why the idea of having a fully staffed church with a whole schola of clerics seems weird to us.
 
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