Pope to meet with Rowan Williams during UK visit, but not with TAC?

[Alex111]

I see on the itinerary for Pope Benedict’s visit to the UK…

thepapalvisit.org.uk/2010-Visit/Events-Timeline

…that he is going to be participating in public meetings and such with (Anglican Communion) Archbishop Rowan Williams, who, to put it mildly, does not seem perturbed by the extreme liberal agenda that is ripping the Anglican Communion to shreds, leaving a trail of emotional and spiritual devastation in its wake.

Is the Pope going to be meeting with UK representatives of the Traditional Anglican Communion, or whatever is the UK equivalent of the group whose petitions to Rome resulted in Anglicanorum Coetibus? Is he going to be meeting with other groups of Anglicans, inside or outside of the liberal Canterbury Communion, who subscribe to orthodox Anglicanism? I think it would be helpful if he would make some gesture during his UK visit, especially to those who are crying out to Rome for protection.

Thoughts?

 

[Dale_M]

The Vatican spokesman, Fr. Federico Lombardi, was recently asked about the meeting with the Archbishop of Canterbury:

He called the current climate in the Church of England “a delicate moment for Anglicanism” because of the “internal debates.” Those discussions include whether or not women should be ordained bishops and the importance accorded to biblical teachings within the church.

Since the Vatican offered Anglicans that possibility to enter into communion with the Catholic Church under a provision creating a special ordinariate, some English Anglicans, including bishops, have been seriously considering converting to Catholicism. The Anglican Communion’s recent approval of the ordination of women bishops at their synod in York, England has further aggravated tensions within the Church.

Fr. Lombardi said in Wednesday’s interview with Vatican Radio that this is also a “delicate moment for relations with the Catholic Church, because the internal debates reflect on the relations between Anglicans and Catholics.”

catholicnewsagency.com/news/papal-visit-aimed-at-showing-secularized-uk-positive-contribution-of-christianity/

I suspect the Pope may not want to rock the boat by formally visiting with potential converts from the Church of England. It might be regarded as “poaching.”

 

[Theophorus]

Is the Pope going to be meeting with UK representatives of the Traditional Anglican Communion, or whatever is the UK equivalent of the group whose petitions to Rome resulted in Anglicanorum Coetibus? Is he going to be meeting with other groups of Anglicans, inside or outside of the liberal Canterbury Communion, who subscribe to orthodox Anglicanism? I think it would be helpful if he would make some gesture during his UK visit, especially to those who are crying out to Rome for protection.

Thoughts?

The TAC is extremely small in Britain much smaller than its North American or Australian Counterparts, and most of the petitions in Britain come from within the CofE. Pope Benedict will meet with many of the Bishops of the Anglican Communion, but as a group, and there have already been several meetings in Rome with traditionally minded Anglo-Catholic bishops. And, to be fair, he is coming to personally beatify Cardinal Newman a very prominent Convert from Anglicanism to the Catholic Church.

 

[The_Old_Medic]

The Anglican Church is a “State Church”, but the Monarch does NOT personally select the Archbishop of Canterbury. She approves the selection of a Committee, she gives it the “formal stamp of approval”. She is the titular head of the church, but in fact has absolutely no control of any type over that Church.

As to meeting with the TAC, there would be no reason to do so on this visit, and many reasons not to do so. It is already a bit of a “slap to the face” to go to Great Britain to beatify Cardinal Newman. It is somewhat like rubbing the Anglicans face in the fact that one of the people on the road to being declared a Saint is a former Anglican.

To meet with leaders of the TAC while on that trips would be to REALLY offend the Anglicans. There is already a significant amount of disapproval on the part of the British because of the whole Newman thing, as well as the virtual invitation to all Anglicans to “see the light and come back to the true church” that the Pope has made to the TAC. He doesn’t want to totally cause a breach in relations with those Anglicans that are left.

Besides, quite frankly, the Anglicans are destroying themselves without any help from the Catholics. The more liberal they become, the smaller they become, the less influence they have, and the less that the people of Britain support them. Less than 10% of Anglicans in Britain attend church on anything even remotely like a regular basis, and the more contraversial they become, the lower that figure goes.

They simply can’t see what they are doing to themselves. Their effort to become “more relevant” are simply destroying everything that this church had ever stood for.

 

[Alex111]

Well, there’s always going to be someone who’s going be offended, no matter what one does. For example the Pope has already been accused, by both liberals and Anglo-Catholics, of “poaching” Anglicans. (My attitude about that is, Rome needs all the traditionalist converts she can get, including Anglicans, to fight the liberal/modernist/“Spirit of Vatican II” scourge that’s also attacking the Catholic Church. So I wish all the success in the world for the Ordinariates.)

If you have to offend someone, stand up for orthodoxy and offend the liberals. So, I’m not saying the Pope shouldn’t be diplomatic, or shouldn’t meet w/Rowan Williams; just that I’ll be very interested to see what transpires.

…To meet with leaders of the TAC while on that trips would be to REALLY offend the Anglicans. There is already a significant amount of disapproval on the part of the British because of the whole Newman thing, as well as the virtual invitation to all Anglicans to “see the light and come back to the true church” that the Pope has made to the TAC. He doesn’t want to totally cause a breach in relations with those Anglicans that are left.

Besides, quite frankly, the Anglicans are destroying themselves without any help from the Catholics. The more liberal they become, the smaller they become, the less influence they have, and the less that the people of Britain support them. Less than 10% of Anglicans in Britain attend church on anything even remotely like a regular basis, and the more contraversial they become, the lower that figure goes.

They simply can’t see what they are doing to themselves. Their effort to become “more relevant” are simply destroying everything that this church had ever stood for.

 

[Wesley7]

Thoughts?

Whatever happens . . happens.

 

[MarkBrown]

I see on the itinerary for Pope Benedict’s visit to the UK…

thepapalvisit.org.uk/2010-Visit/Events-Timeline

…that he is going to be participating in public meetings and such with (Anglican Communion) Archbishop Rowan Williams, who, to put it mildly, does not seem perturbed by the extreme liberal agenda that is ripping the Anglican Communion to shreds, leaving a trail of emotional and spiritual devastation in its wake.

Is the Pope going to be meeting with UK representatives of the Traditional Anglican Communion, or whatever is the UK equivalent of the group whose petitions to Rome resulted in Anglicanorum Coetibus? Is he going to be meeting with other groups of Anglicans, inside or outside of the liberal Canterbury Communion, who subscribe to orthodox Anglicanism? I think it would be helpful if he would make some gesture during his UK visit, especially to those who are crying out to Rome for protection.

Thoughts?

I don’t expect the Holy Father to meet with any Anglicans who will be coming into communion with the Church. Neither do the Anglican Bishops, like Broadhurst who appears very interested and has traveled to Rome to discuss the Ordinariate. No one wants distractions. Any visible, high level meetings will create headlines in papers screaming about the “panzer Pope”, “tank parkings” etc.

I do believe the ordinariate will be discussed. At the meeting of the Catholic Bishops with the Holy Father. Probably another reminder for the English Catholic Bishops not to hinder the process.

At the moment, Archbishop of Canterbury is in Uganda at the meeting of the Southern Bishops. 400 Anglican Bishops and ArchBishops are meeting in Uganda. Mostly from Africa, though Archbishops and Bishops from the Mideast, Asia and the States are present. The reception of the ABoC has been mild and polite. So far he is getting an ear full of how his “leadership” has been less than satisfactory. There has been at least one closed door session of the Primates with the ABoC. There are calls at this Council, as that is what the Africans are calling it, for missionaries to be sent to Europe to include the UK and North America as the Anglican Churches in these areas have totally abandoned the faith. Interesting is that the African Anglicans returned money sent from the TEC, specifically Trinity Wallstreet, to help fund the council. Though the Ugandan Bishops made a point of NOT inviting TEC, but inviting Archbishop Duncan of the ACNA. They politely advised Trinity Wallstreet, they did not need their money.

Archbishop Rowan is overseeing the break up of the Anglican Communion as we have known it. The Africans now and have been stating they are not in communion with the “western” Church. Archbishop Rowan is just as clueless about the ordinariate as he is about the break up of the Anglican Communion.

In Oct this year, the FiF UK will have a Synod. Once it is over, an Ordinariate should be asked for and approved by Rome. The Scottish Church, not part of the CoE, appears to have a few parishes already making moves to join an ordinariate in Scotland, according to a source in Scotland.

In the States, the Catholic HOB meets in Nov. A source, who is working from the Catholic side of the ordinariate, has informed me an announcement will be forth coming around the meeting about the establishment of the ordinariate in the States. An ArchBishop has already been selected to begin the process. Offically announced about Nov.

So do not expect Rome to draw attention. Expect them to continue to quietly work at establishing Ordinariates for those who wish to be in communion with the Church.

Peace

Fr. Mark

 

[Alex111]

Good points. They definitely shouldn’t give the liberal media any excuse to stir up controversy etc…

Also, good for the African Bishops and the ACNA.

I don’t expect the Holy Father to meet with any Anglicans who will be coming into communion with the Church. Neither do the Anglican Bishops, like Broadhurst who appears very interested and has traveled to Rome to discuss the Ordinariate. No one wants distractions. Any visible, high level meetings will create headlines in papers screaming about the “panzer Pope”, “tank parkings” etc.

I do believe the ordinariate will be discussed. At the meeting of the Catholic Bishops with the Holy Father. Probably another reminder for the English Catholic Bishops not to hinder the process.

At the moment, Archbishop of Canterbury is in Uganda at the meeting of the Southern Bishops. 400 Anglican Bishops and ArchBishops are meeting in Uganda. Mostly from Africa, though Archbishops and Bishops from the Mideast, Asia and the States are present. The reception of the ABoC has been mild and polite. So far he is getting an ear full of how his “leadership” has been less than satisfactory. There has been at least one closed door session of the Primates with the ABoC. There are calls at this Council, as that is what the Africans are calling it, for missionaries to be sent to Europe to include the UK and North America as the Anglican Churches in these areas have totally abandoned the faith. Interesting is that the African Anglicans returned money sent from the TEC, specifically Trinity Wallstreet, to help fund the council. Though the Ugandan Bishops made a point of NOT inviting TEC, but inviting Archbishop Duncan of the ACNA. They politely advised Trinity Wallstreet, they did not need their money.

Archbishop Rowan is overseeing the break up of the Anglican Communion as we have known it. The Africans now and have been stating they are not in communion with the “western” Church. Archbishop Rowan is just as clueless about the ordinariate as he is about the break up of the Anglican Communion.

In Oct this year, the FiF UK will have a Synod. Once it is over, an Ordinariate should be asked for and approved by Rome. The Scottish Church, not part of the CoE, appears to have a few parishes already making moves to join an ordinariate in Scotland, according to a source in Scotland.

In the States, the Catholic HOB meets in Nov. A source, who is working from the Catholic side of the ordinariate, has informed me an announcement will be forth coming around the meeting about the establishment of the ordinariate in the States. An ArchBishop has already been selected to begin the process. Offically announced about Nov.

So do not expect Rome to draw attention. Expect them to continue to quietly work at establishing Ordinariates for those who wish to be in communion with the Church.

Peace

Fr. Mark