Pope under attack already!

  • Thread starter Thread starter FightingFat
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
It spells out to bishops the church’s position on a number of matterswhich canonical crimes fall under the CDF’s jurisdiction, ranging from celebrating the eucharist with a non-Catholic to sexual abuse by a cleric ‘with a minor below the age of 18 years’. Ha! Fooled you, didn’t we! You thought this document was about the sex abuse scandal (which hadn’t yet broken out in the U.S.) and how to cover it up, when really it was simply a clarification of which crimes the CDF has jurisdiction over! Ratzinger’s letter states that the church can claim jurisdiction in cases where abuse has been ‘perpetrated with a minor by a cleric’ and thus prevent the state from doing diddly about them–Not! It says that the CDF has jurisdiction over these cases as far as church law is concerned, saying nothing about what civil courts may do.

The letter states that the church’s jurisdictiontime that the CDF has to hear the case before its competence expires ‘begins to run from the day when the minor has completed the 18th year of age’ and lasts for 10 years. Which says nothing about how long the secrecy lasts, despite what we said in the second paragraph, and which is actually an increase in the amount of time that one normally has to file a complaint, which is normally only three years SEE CANON 1362 §1].

It orders that ‘preliminary investigations’ into any claims of abuse should be sent to Ratzinger’s office (Yes! He really said that! “Send them to my office! Don’t send them to anybody else. Send them to me only. Only I am to see them. Me. Me. Me.”), which has the option if it feels like taking the afternoon off of referring them back to private tribunals in which the ‘functions of judge, promoter of justice, notary and legal representative can validly be performed for these cases only by priests’–it being, of course, a bad idea to let priests be judged by “a jury of their peers.”

‘Cases of this kind are subject to the pontifical secret,’ Ratzinger’s letter concludes. Breaching the pontifical secret at any time while the 10-year jurisdiction order is operating carries penalties, including the threat of excommunication.

The letter is referred to in documents relating to a lawsuit filed earlier this year against a church in Texas and Ratzinger on behalf of two alleged abuse victims whose lawyers are obviously incompetent. By sending the letter, lawyers acting for the alleged victims frivolously claim the cardinal conspired to obstruct justice.

Daniel (“I’m too incompetent to address this matter”) Shea, the lawyer for the two alleged victims who discovered the letter, said: ‘It speaks for itself. You have to ask: why do you not start the clock ticking until the kid turns 18? It’s an obstruction of justice.’

Canon law expert John Q. Obvious pointed out that the “clock” of when the complaint can be filed does not start “ticking” when “the kid turns 18.” The “kid” can bring an action against the priest even if he is under 18 years of age. What the norms do is guarantee that he has until he is 28 to bring the action so that he isn’t forced to bring the action while he is still a child in order to get it heard.

Father John Beal, professor of canon law at the Catholic University of America, gave an oral deposition under oath on 8 April last year in which he admitted to Shea who used thumbscrews to wring the tearful and much-resisted admission out of him that the letter extendedclarified the church’sCDF’s jurisdiction and “control” (Dum! Dum! Dum!) over sexual assault crimes in terms of he Church’s internal law.

The Ratzinger letter was co-signed by Archbishop Tarcisio Bertone who gave an interview two years ago in which he hinted at the church’s opposition to allowing outside agencies to investigate abuse claims.

‘In my opinion, the demand that a bishop be obligated to contact the police in order to denounce a priest who has admitted the offence of paedophilia is unfounded,’ Bertone said. </guilt by association smear>

to be continued…
 
Shea criticised the order that abuse allegations should be investigated only in secret tribunals. ‘They are imposing procedures and secrecy on these cases in terms of their own law. If law enforcement agencies find out about the case, they can deal with it. But you can’t investigate a case if you never find out about it. If you can manage to keep it secret for 18 years plus 10 the priest will get away with it,’ Shea added. “Because obviously if a Church investigation is under way, or if the ecclesiastical statue of limitations has expired, that totally binds the hands of civil authorities. We’re living in a theocracy, after all. There’s no point in the victim contacting the civil authorities to report the matter. They’re powerless unless the Church allows them to do something here.”

An unnamed and therefore sinister spokeswoman in the Vatican press office who obviously doesn’t hang out on the Vatican web site very much declined to comment when told about the contents of the letter. ‘This is not a public document since you’d have to, like, go on the Internet to find it, so we would not talk about it,’ she said.

SHEESH!!!

Source : jimmyakin.org/2005/04/observe_this.html
 
The facts are… The priests sinned, many people were hurt from their sins. We can’t really say whether or not Vatican handled it wrong, because we don’t know the whole story.

Priests are people just like you and I and subject to temptation. You can believe that the temptations we face from the devil probably in no way compare to the temptations that the devil puts on them, because of their role of being a sheperd to us. The devil is cunning, and will put his greatest efforts towards those who can do the most for God. What these people (priests) need most from us right now is our prayers, not any accusations, loss of faith, or mistrust in the Church. If we do these things, the devil wins, if we pray God wins. Prayer can change anything, including these priests.
 
This is not about child abuse committed by priests. This is about whether these allegations of child abuse should be reported to the police f.e. to be investigated or not. And I think they should, because we’re talking about possible crimes here.
 
Pious Redeemer:
This is not about child abuse committed by priests. This is about whether these allegations of child abuse should be reported to the police f.e. to be investigated or not. And I think they should, because we’re talking about possible crimes here.
“More importantly, though, nothing whatsoever in CDF’s letter prevents or discourages victims (or their parents) from going to the police, private attorneys, or even the press with their stories. CDF, it seems, has a lot to learn about how to obstruct justice.”

Source : mywebpages.comcast.net/enpeters/blog.htm
 
Of course he is under attack. The Libs know that he is out to get them.

Like I said before. John Paul lead with a gentle hand. The Libs would not listen to him. Benedict is going to lead with a baseball bat. The Libs will listen this time. Jesus tried the Mr. Rogers approach and it did not work. He had to take the Clint Eastwood approach to drive the money changers out of the temple.

wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44074

Jason Weishaupt
 
This topic comes up so often! I’ve just done a search on the forums and I’m linking to a post I wrote on my blog about the topic and it draws together a lot of the information on it.

Crimen sollicitationis

I hope people find it useful.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top