Pope Urges Faithful to Long for Unity

[surgei]

Actually, dox is for teaching or doctrine. Orthodoxy mean right teaching.

Still, neither you nor anyone else has proven Catholic evengelization in Russia. The ROC as a wing of Putin’s government is actively persecuting Catholics. Well done.

Your greek suhucks. The term is primarily used as worship. Look at the term Doxology. In this we worship first, teach second.

 

[XtusVictor]

Your greek suhucks. The term is primarily used as worship. Look at the term Doxology. In this we worship first, teach second.

Actually, I prefer your interpretation, right or wrong. Orthodoxy’s worship is fine, it the teaching that is messed up.

 

[Hesychios]

Actually, I prefer your interpretation, right or wrong. Orthodoxy’s worship is fine, it the teaching that is messed up.

I respectfully suggest that you are out of sync even with you own church, which does not regard Orthodoxy’s teachings to be “messed up”.

I wonder why you run the boards here insulting your Catholic brothers and sisters.

It happens to be the case that the Divine Liturgy expresses Orthodox theology very clearly. this is an important reason why Orthodox theology has survived among Byzantine-rite Catholics after all these many generations. The Roman Catholic church made the error of letting the uniate churches keep the Divine Liturgy, even though in a truncated form. The liturgy expresses Orthodoxy, for those who actually pay attention to it.

Where the vernacular has been introduced, each new generation of Byzantine Catholics gets inoculated with the True Faith in their youth worshiping with their parents, before they go to Roman Catholic parochial schools for their reeducation.

Michael

 

[Volodymyr]

Your greek IS POOR.

Yes, Surjozha (like Серёжа Sergei Radonjejhskij??) δοξαζο means PRAISE just as in pravoSLAVIJE SLAVIJE means praise.

 

[XtusVictor]

I respectfully suggest that you are out of sync even with you own church, which does not regard Orthodoxy’s teachings to be “messed up”.

I wonder why you run the boards here insulting your Catholic brothers and sisters.

It happens to be the case that the Divine Liturgy expresses Orthodox theology very clearly. this is an important reason why Orthodox theology has survived among Byzantine-rite Catholics after all these many generations. The Roman Catholic church made the error of letting the uniate churches keep the Divine Liturgy, even though in a truncated form. The liturgy expresses Orthodoxy, for those who actually pay attention to it.

Where the vernacular has been introduced, each new generation of Byzantine Catholics gets inoculated with the True Faith in their youth worshiping with their parents, before they go to Roman Catholic parochial schools for their reeducation.

Michael

It is not Orthodox worship that is the problem. It is Orthodox anti-Catholicism that is the problem. This anti-Catholicism is evident in many many ways: The oprression of Catholics in Russia and the proselytizing of Eastern Catholics throughout.

The UGCC is filled with happy Catholics and I love them for that.

the Melkites decline to describe themselves as Catholics and that is a problem.

What is so difficult to understand?

 

[surgei]

It is not Orthodox worship that is the problem. It is Orthodox anti-Catholicism that is the problem. This anti-Catholicism is evident in many many ways: The oprression of Catholics in Russia and the proselytizing of Eastern Catholics throughout.

The UGCC is filled with happy Catholics and I love them for that.

the Melkites decline to describe themselves as Catholics and that is a problem.

What is so difficult to understand?

The next generation of UGCC priests will likely catch your wrath as well. The resurgance of the seminary has brought about a resurgance to their ancestral ways of thinking.
The Melkites do not decline that they are Catholics they decline that they are Roman Catholic. They use the term Catholic just as I do. It has nothing to do with Rome but everything to do with apostolic faith.
If Orthodox are anti- Catholic as you use the term they are only such in that they rightly stand against inovation.

 

[XtusVictor]

The next generation of UGCC priests will likely catch your wrath as well. The resurgance of the seminary has brought about a resurgance to their ancestral ways of thinking.
The Melkites do not decline that they are Catholics they decline that they are Roman Catholic. They use the term Catholic just as I do. It has nothing to do with Rome but everything to do with apostolic faith.
If Orthodox are anti- Catholic as you use the term they are only such in that they rightly stand against inovation.

And still you refuse to acknowlege the ongoing oppression of Catholic by the Orthodox.

 

[Volodymyr]

The next generation of Ukrainian Greko-Catolic priests will likely catch your wrath as well. The resurgance of the seminary has brought about a resurgance to their ancestral ways of thinking.

GrekoCatolics are more interested in become “national Church” of Ukraina than in Catolicism. They move their “Patriarch” to Kyiv which is cradle of Orthodoxy for Rossia, ukraina and Belorus’. They are a small sad result of Iesuits in Poland infuencing Sigismund King who ruled Right side ukraina in 16th century. This is how his Unia was seen by Ukrainians:

Как сообщалось варшавскому королю в “Мемориале” 1623 года, “жители края испытывают невыносимые страдания: нас заключают в тюрьмы, подвергают изгнанию, лишают должностей, наказывают штрафами, налагают аресты на имущество. В Полоцке к унии одних понуждали кандалами, других — изгоняли из города. В Пинске православных священников униаты забивали в бочки и мучили…”.

Translation : this is how was communicated to Warsaw King in “memorrial” of 1623 year, “the residents of the region expereince unbearable suffering: they imprison us, they exile us, the deprive us of our property, punish us with fines, arrest us. In Polotsk some were forced into the Unia with clubs, others driven from the city. In Pinsk orthodox priests were beaten with clubs and martyred.”

 

[XtusVictor]

GrekoCatolics are more interested in become “national Church” of Ukraina than in Catolicism. They move their “Patriarch” to Kyiv which is cradle of Orthodoxy for Rossia, ukraina and Belorus’. They are a small sad result of Iesuits in Poland infuencing Sigismund King who ruled Right side ukraina in 16th century. This is how his Unia was seen by Ukrainians:

Как сообщалось варшавскому королю в “Мемориале” 1623 года, “жители края испытывают невыносимые страдания: нас заключают в тюрьмы, подвергают изгнанию, лишают должностей, наказывают штрафами, налагают аресты на имущество. В Полоцке к унии одних понуждали кандалами, других — изгоняли из города. В Пинске православных священников униаты забивали в бочки и мучили…”.

Translation : this is how was communicated to Warsaw King in “memorrial” of 1623 year, “the residents of the region expereince unbearable suffering: they imprison us, they exile us, the deprive us of our property, punish us with fines, arrest us. In Polotsk some were forced into the Unia with clubs, others driven from the city. In Pinsk orthodox priests were beaten with clubs and martyred.”

Please refrain from using the term unia which is a term of derision.

 

[XtusVictor]

GrekoCatolics are more interested in become “national Church” of Ukraina than in Catolicism. They move their “Patriarch” to Kyiv which is cradle of Orthodoxy for Rossia, ukraina and Belorus’. They are a small sad result of Iesuits in Poland infuencing Sigismund King who ruled Right side ukraina in 16th century. This is how his Unia was seen by Ukrainians:

Как сообщалось варшавскому королю в “Мемориале” 1623 года, “жители края испытывают невыносимые страдания: нас заключают в тюрьмы, подвергают изгнанию, лишают должностей, наказывают штрафами, налагают аресты на имущество. В Полоцке к унии одних понуждали кандалами, других — изгоняли из города. В Пинске православных священников униаты забивали в бочки и мучили…”.

Translation : this is how was communicated to Warsaw King in “memorrial” of 1623 year, “the residents of the region expereince unbearable suffering: they imprison us, they exile us, the deprive us of our property, punish us with fines, arrest us. In Polotsk some were forced into the Unia with clubs, others driven from the city. In Pinsk orthodox priests were beaten with clubs and martyred.”

Yes, the Orthodox beheaded St. Josaphat and threw him in the river. And they murdered countless other martyrs.

We can play the martyrs game. But, rather than rehearse history, let’s look at the current oppression of Catholics by the Orthodox.

 

[surgei]

Yes, the Orthodox beheaded St. Josaphat and threw him in the river. And they murdered countless other martyrs.

We can play the martyrs game. But, rather than rehearse history, let’s look at the current oppression of Catholics by the Orthodox.

Look at the current oppression of the Catholics by the Catholics then as well.