Pope weighing changes in Novus Ordo

[jedi]

thenewliturgicalmovement.blogspot.com/2008/07/changes-in-liturgy-of.html

Alrite, way to go my pope, That is the one, i been waiting for this. The N.O mass need to have some changes. I personally think, the priest should face the altar instead of congregation (Eucharistic). that is very important. And i found out something, i attended N.O masses, and most of the priest used only one hand to raise up the “Host” /body of christ. but unlike the TLM mass, the priest used both hand to raise up the “Host”… I don’t know how to explain this, but i think 2 hands is better than 1 hand.

change the N.O mass.
God Bless Pope Benedict. I Love You.
SSPX please come back. (pray together)
Traditional will never die…

 

[mattkubes]

I think the first change should be to recognise it as the OF of the Mass, and not the NO But having said that, I think that’s some encouraging news!

 

[ProVobis]

Good luck with this one. With so many people hating Latin, this won’t be easy. I’m afraid the all-English, “for all” Mass is here to stay.

 

[SJP]

BENEDICT CHANGES THE MASS - THE STUDY OF THE NEW LITURGY ASSIGNED TO THE CONGREGATION FOR WORSHIP

The rite of the Mass could change. According to some indiscretions, Benedict XVI has charged the Congregation for Divine Worship to study some modifications in the liturgy. In particular, the Pope is said to have the intention to restore Latin for the formula for the Eucharistic consecration within the Mass in the “vernacular language”, i.e. the one celebrated in the different national languages. The same could happen to the formulae of Baptism, Confirmation, Confession and of the other sacraments.

The news just gets better and better all the time.

God Bless this Pope!

 

[Augustine]

Good luck with this one. With so many people hating Latin, this won’t be easy. I’m afraid the all-English, “for all” Mass is here to stay.

Well, I can understand Latin, and I’d rather go to a NO Mass in Latin than an EF one, priest facing the congregation, as it’s been the centenary custom at St. Peter’s, and all.

 

[Christy_Beth]

I wouldn’t mind learning a bit of latin. I’ve wanted to for awhile. My freshman year of high school, the school was audited, and some changes were made. First off, I took spanish that year. Latin was added, as well as a few other changes, and I really wanted to take it. Until my parents talked me out of it since spanish had been a struggle for me.

For one, we get a bunch of words from latin. Also, the church has never really done away with latin completely. Also, I’ve noticed, in at least some fields of science, latin is used for “official” names. LIke, in botany, each plant has an every day name, the ones we would use, and a latin name for classification. Long live latin!!

 

[belgianwaffles9]

Well, I can understand Latin, and I’d rather go to a NO Mass in Latin than an EF one, priest facing the congregation, as it’s been the centenary custom at St. Peter’s, and all.

You misunderstand the history of St. Peters.

St. Peters was situated so that the Priest would always say the mass facing true East. The people happened to be facing the priest because of how the basilica was built. But, throughout mass, there were certain times when the entire congregation would turn and face the same was as the priest because they understood how important it was for the entire congregation to worship in the same direction.

 

[ProVobis]

St. Peters was situated so that the Priest would always say the mass facing true East. The people happened to be facing the priest because of how the basilica was built. But, throughout mass, there were certain times when the entire congregation would turn and face the same was as the priest because they understood how important it was for the entire congregation to worship in the same direction.

Yes, but how many would actually like this when they’re used to watching the priest move his lips? The Church can’t afford to do this on a large-scale basis.

Just because it works for the EF doesn’t mean it’s going to work for the NO.

 

[PatrickJT914]

Good luck with this one. With so many people hating Latin, this won’t be easy. I’m afraid the all-English, “for all” Mass is here to stay.

HI ProVobis,

  I don't think people hate Latin. Part of the reason is perhaps that it's not widely taught in schools. The secular school systems are probrably more hostile to it. Which is perhaps too bad. Before I continue I would like to tell you something about my evolution in the Catholic faith.I'm a 49 YO man during my earlier childhood I was exposed to TLM and vaguely remember what went on. Also at that time Vatican II was underway and had concluded. So, some of changes hadn't been fully implemented. Then in my teen age and early young adult years I dropped out of church. There two events that set the stage for my return to the church. The first one happened while I was working at the CA Rep Party office.My co-workers were a mother and daughter (nice ladies) asked me about my religion. I told them Catholic. So, they started asking questions about Catholicism. I could answer but not as effectively as I wanted. The second event that influenced me to return was the death of my Grandpa(He was a devout man, said the Rosary,

read the Bible, went to church, active in his parish,etc.) Even in death taught me that life was so short (He was 80) and that I better make it right with God. In my own parish I started going back to Mass, boy did I feel like a stranger. Luckily there was young adult group that I joined. I also was reminded that I needed
to complete my Sacraments of Initiation. I wasn’t confirmed. So, I joined the RCIA group they explained a lot about early church history and why we do certain things. That’s when I grew a deep appreciation for the vernacular Pauline Mass, OF, N.O. whatever.

Today I still love the OF. The restored original rites and practices that Vatican II and post-Vatican II documents brought back. However, I think that learning Latin is valuable because it forms the basis of Italian, Spanish,French and other languages. English is 70% Latin. If we understand Latin. It will greatly enhance our ability to understand those aforementioned languages and we will be better educated. Latin in the Mass? Well yes but not a full Mass. I love to hear and understand English. You want to hear something odd? Maybe not odd, but unusal. One of the parishioners came up with an idea that maybe as a sign of unity as a church we could say the Our Father in Latin. ( Our parish is 89% Hispanic,many are bilingual, so especially at bilingual Masses we would recite the Pater Noster). Our Pastor grew up with Latin Masses, but he’s never said a Latin Mass since being ordained.(Ordained after V2). He did study Latin.(I’m not sure if in school or the seminary).

He has approved the idea. And ultimately we might also do the Confiteor, Sanctus, Angus Dei in Latin. Father has encouraged the people to learn by saying it is the official language of the Church, it’s a sign of our unity, it’s part of our Catholic heritage. He did say we would not do the entire Mass in Latin because for one he can’t say it Latin. That’s okay by me. Do you know one way the people are learning is through PowerPoint at Mass. (Another thread). We recite it together

Also I would like our Life Teen Core Team Leaders to go on a field trip at a local church that has a TLM. Before our own LT Mass. I want them to learn that TLM is also part of our Catholic heritage. (Note: I love the OF and the vernacular).

Sorry, I think I went off topic.

 

[jedi]

Good e’rybody have a point. way to go.
how about the priest with one hand or two hand??? nobody answer this??? how about your parish priest??

priest facing the altar @ N.O mass… hopefully…

 

[deigloriam]

Good e’rybody have a point. way to go.
how about the priest with one hand or two hand??? nobody answer this??? how about your parish priest??

In the Gregorian Rite, the priest is not to separate the fingers (thumb and forefinger?) which have touched the consecrated host, lest any particle be lost. Overall, I would say that some - certainly not all - priests are far too sloppy with the Blessed Sacrament in the N.O. Just like many are sloppy about the rubrics.

 

[Nan_S]

Good e’rybody have a point. way to go.
how about the priest with one hand or two hand??? nobody answer this??? how about your parish priest??

priest facing the altar @ N.O mass… hopefully…

My priest not only elevates the host and cup with one hand, he also doesn’t kneel to reverence the consecrated eucharist until after both have been elevated. Except when he is concelebrating the mass with a visiting priest; then he kneels twice.

He says he is a trained liturgist, and since he knows that the consecration is a single liturgical event, he kneels once when the entire event is completed. He says he kneels twice when concelebrating to avoid controversy over his non-conventional posture.

I found it disturbing for quite some time when I realized what he was doing. Distractions, especially minor scandals, at the moment of consecration are not good. They take our thoughts away from God at the climax of the Mass.

I have since learned to ignore his postures. The Eucharist is still validly consecrated. But it took quite a while for me to acclimate myself.

 

[Augustine]

He says he is a trained liturgist, and since he knows that the consecration is a single liturgical event, he kneels once when the entire event is completed. He says he kneels twice when concelebrating to avoid controversy over his non-conventional posture.

Trained liturgist or not, the liturgy is not his to change. He even knows the scandal that he causes outsiders, but couldn’t care less about the scandal he causes the flock entrusted to him. Quite the hypocrite!

May St. Cure d’Ars pray for him.

 

[belgianwaffles9]

Yes, but how many would actually like this when they’re used to watching the priest move his lips? The Church can’t afford to do this on a large-scale basis.

Just because it works for the EF doesn’t mean it’s going to work for the NO.

Well evidently, the council fathers who actually wrote the Novus Ordo thought that it worked, considering that they wrote the Norvus Ordo with the intention that it would be celebrated in Latin, with the priest ad orientam.

HI ProVobis,

  I don't think people hate Latin. Part of the reason is perhaps that it's not widely taught in schools. The secular school systems are probrably more hostile to it. Which is perhaps too bad.

Actually, my public high school offered five levels of latin classes, including 2 advanced placement courses. I doubt any diocesan high schools do that, and i live in a very conservative diocese.

 

[ProVobis]

Well evidently, the council fathers who actually wrote the Novus Ordo thought that it worked, considering that they wrote the Norvus Ordo with the intention that it would be celebrated in Latin, with the priest ad orientam.

The introduction of priest facing the people came about prior to Vatican II, so I’ve been told. But the point I was trying to make was that it, for whatever reason and not that I’m in favor of it, has become a custom and there is a canon law (I forget which one) which states that custom is effectively the tie breaker in case of any disputes.

 

[Spiller]

thenewliturgicalmovement.blogspot.com/2008/07/changes-in-liturgy-of.html

Alrite, way to go my pope, That is the one, i been waiting for this. The N.O mass need to have some changes. I personally think, the priest should face the altar instead of congregation (Eucharistic). that is very important. And i found out something, i attended N.O masses, and most of the priest used only one hand to raise up the “Host” /body of christ. but unlike the TLM mass, the priest used both hand to raise up the “Host”… I don’t know how to explain this, but i think 2 hands is better than 1 hand.

change the N.O mass.
God Bless Pope Benedict. I Love You.
SSPX please come back. (pray together)
Traditional will never die…

“Italian weekly Panorama?” I wish threads like this were prefaced with decent sources. This is ridiculous.

 

[Spiller]

My priest not only elevates the host and cup with one hand, he also doesn’t kneel to reverence the consecrated eucharist until after both have been elevated. Except when he is concelebrating the mass with a visiting priest; then he kneels twice.
**
He says he is a trained liturgist, and since he knows that the consecration is a single liturgical event, he kneels once when the entire event is completed. He says he kneels twice when concelebrating to avoid controversy over his non-conventional posture.**

I found it disturbing for quite some time when I realized what he was doing. Distractions, especially minor scandals, at the moment of consecration are not good. They take our thoughts away from God at the climax of the Mass.

I have since learned to ignore his postures. The Eucharist is still validly consecrated. But it took quite a while for me to acclimate myself.

Pride.

Sadly some never do and their entire focus is on what is wrong…

 

[Crumpy]

I just realized that unless the name of Jesus is mentioned in the gospel or epistle readings, the name is not otherwise uttered during the Mass.

Isn’t this odd?

 

[PrayforMallory]

Pride.

Sadly some never do and their entire focus is on what is wrong…

If it’s pride to ask for a better Church, how is the Church going to recover?

 

[Joannm]

Good e’rybody have a point. way to go.
how about the priest with one hand or two hand??? nobody answer this??? how about your parish priest??

priest facing the altar @ N.O mass… hopefully…

Our priests always use two hands.