Popes and private revelations

[undead_rat]

undead_rat:

Pope Pius XII made a autobiographical film of his own life in 1942. The title that he chose for this film was PASTOR ANGELICUS . By choosing this phrase for his title Pius XII made a tacit endorsement of a so-called “private revelation” that we are not allowed to discuss here on CAF.

That is not relevant to the thread topic which is asking if any Pope had a private revelation!
I think you will also have to use spellcheck.

The title of the thread is POPES AND PRIVATE REVELATIONS.
Pope Pius XII obviously made use of a (so-called) private revelation. Therefore he had, in a sense, this list of predictions.

TY for saving my post and for correcting my spelling. Who needs spellcheck when we have you around?

 

[thistle]

The title of the thread is POPES AND PRIVATE REVELATIONS.
Pope Pius XII obviously made use of a (so-called) private revelation. Therefore he had, in a sense, this list of predictions.

TY for saving my post and for correcting my spelling. Who needs spellcheck when we have you around?

This was the OP’s question: “Has any Pope ever had a private revelation?”
Your comment to which I responded had nothing to do with what the OP wanted to know.

 

[undead_rat]

Having a private revelation and making dramatic, explicit public use of one seem related enough to me. Sorry that you don’t agree.

 

[commenter]

By choosing this phrase for his title Pius XII made a tacit endorsement of a so-called “private revelation”

Not a tacit endorsement. He may have liked the phrase. I suppose with all the private Revelations out there, including thousands of religious phrases, it is hard to find a new religious phrase that has not also been used by someone else.

 

[undead_rat]

Not a tacit endorsement. He may have liked the phrase. I suppose with all the private Revelations out there, including thousands of religious phrases, it is hard to find a new religious phrase that has not also been used by someone else.

If you are suggesting that it was no more than a coincidence that Pope Pius XII chose a phrase that exactly matches a well known 1595 prediction for his papacy, then you are mistaken. When the film, PASTOR ANGELICUS, came out in 1942, there was no doubt as where Pius XII had sourced that title.

"Pastor Angelicus"

From whence does the title ascribed to Pope Pius XII, "Pastor Angelicus" ("Angelic Shepherd") originate? The name comes from the prophecies ...

theworkofjustice.blogspot.com

http://whispersintheloggia.blogspot.com/2008/10/on-pastor-angelicus.html

 

[undead_rat]

Actually respectful threads about private Revelations that have not been approved have been allowed to go on here. The problem is that these kinds of threads sometimes bring out the worst in a few people. Some posters hurl vile accusations at each other. Others refuse to recognize the distinction between approved and unapproved private Revelations, and the more important distinction between public and private Revelations. No private revelation outweighs the authority of the magisterium.

There should be a distinction between 4 categories:

• Public revelation - by far the most important;
• Approved private revelation; keep in mind that even if one is approved, such as Fatima, most of what you read about it was neither approved nor condemned;
• Revelations neither approved nor condemned, at present time;
• Revelations specifically condemned

I am having my posts about Fr. Arnold Wion’s 1595 list of 113 papal predictions flagged and removed by the mods. While this is an unapproved private revelation, it has never been condemned by the Church and was even published in a book that was approved by the Church. So I can’t agree that discussions of unapproved private revelations are allowed.

 

[undead_rat]

Pope Pius XII did allegedly have a number of private revelations. From what I have read about him, he was a pretty mystical guy.

Pope Pius X allegedly saw a Pope having to flee the Vatican over the bodies of dead priests and being killed. Some have said Pope Pius X saw a “successor of the same name” (i.e. Pius or his given name, Giuseppe), others dispute that and say he just saw a Pope and that it might have referred to Hitler’s activities in Europe.

Here is a link to a report of these visions:
http://www.ewtn.com/v/experts/showmessage_print.asp?number=436842

As you can see, Pope St. Pius X is reported to have had two separate visions, one in 1909, and the other in 1914. Some forum posters have disputed that Pius X ever had these visions, and I was not able to find any reference to them in his biographies.

However, whether or not Pius X was really the source of the two visions may not actually matter.
The traditional interpretation is that the two visions refer to the same disaster at Vatican City and to a single person who is referred to as “the Pope” in the first and as “a successor of the same name” in the second.

But an alternative interpretation might be that two predictions are about a single event that involves two different persons, one being a pope and the other being a successor of the same name. If this interpretation is correct then the two visions taken together predicted the retirement of a pope who would continue to live in Vatican City and who would share a name with Giuseppe Sarto.
This prediction has been fulfilled !!

The conclusion is that it doesn’t really make any difference who had these two visions. The important question is if they were made prior to Benedict XVI’s announcement of retirement in 2013. If that did not happen, then the prediction of a retiring pope would have been made after the fact.