Pope's appointee bullied into submission in Austria Update: Pope accepts request

[bkovacs]

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[Blessed_Karl]

I practically cried when I read that. IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT HE SAID THOSE THINGS ABOUT KATRINA AND HARRY POTTER!

Just like Bishop Williamson they used absurd commetns he made to block him because he was faithful.

I wonder what happened behind the scenes to make him resign? He is a good man…

 

[Shin]

Grim, very grim.

 

[LeroyCRHP]

I don’t see the problem, seems there was a “Conservative” pastor promoted that cause such widespread anger that he backed off his appointment. I’m shocked this happened, must really be bad I wonder what specifically caused Wagner to recant.

The promotion of the conservative pastor sparked an outcry among Catholics who warned it could prompt people to leave the church.

ORF quotes the 54-year-old Wagner as saying: “Regarding the fierce criticism, I am praying and after consulting the diocesan bishop I have decided to ask the Holy Father in Rome to take back my promotion as auxiliary bishop.”

 

[Tsuwano]

I don’t know if Fr. Wagner was a worthy candidate for the office of auxilary Bishop of Linz or not. I do think his remarks concerning Hurricane Katrina and the suffering inflicted on New Orleans by the storm were ridiculous and a slap in the face to all those good Catholics who call South Louisiana home.

 

[Shin]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with what he said.

“It is one of the most firmly established and most consoling of the truths that have been revealed to us that (apart from sin) nothing happens to us in life unless God wills it so. Wealth and poverty alike come from Him. If we fall ill, God is the cause of our illness; if we get well, our recovery is due to God. We owe our lives entirely to Him, and when death comes to put an end to life, His will be the hand that deals the blow.”

St. Claude de la Colombiere

'Nothing happens in the the universe without God willing and allowing it. This statement must he taken absolutely of everything with the exception of sin. ‘Nothing occurs by chance in the whole course of our lives’ is the unanimous teaching of the Fathers and Doctors of the Church, ‘and God intervenes everywhere.’

Fr. Jean-Baptiste Saint-Jure

 

[Tsuwano]

The Harry Potter series of books are satanic? New Orleans was destroyed by Hurricane Katrina as a punishment from God, proof being the destruction of 5 abortion clinics and numerous bars and saloons? As I said, I find the comments ridiculous and offensive and think there is quite a bit wrong with what the individual implied. Ask a devout Catholic from New Orleans if Hurricane Katrina was a punishment from God. If he or she tells me they think it was, then maybe their opinion has merit. But no priest from Austria, especially one who knows nothing about New Orleans or the Church in that city, has the right to make such a claim.

 

[Shin]

The Harry Potter books contain material from actual spells and the names of actual demons.

New Orleans was and perhaps still is one of the Voodoo capitals of the world.

How do you know he ‘knows nothing about New Orleans’? How do you know the extent of this priest’s knowledge?

 

[Frosty]

New Orleans was and perhaps still is one of the Voodoo capitals of the world.

How do you know he ‘knows nothing about New Orleans’? How do you know the extent of this priest’s knowledge?

So, when American fundamentalists like Jerry Falwell and John Hagee said the same thing that Hurricane Katrina was God’s judgement on New Orleans did you agree with them too?

 

[Tsuwano]

The Harry Potter books contain material from actual spells and the names of actual demons.

New Orleans was and perhaps still is one of the Voodoo capitals of the world.

How do you know he ‘knows nothing about New Orleans’? How do you know the extent of this priest’s knowledge?

Give me a break! The Harry Potter books are nothing less than Children’s fantasy books and requires a great deal of imagination to make them into anything more. New Orleans is a voodoo capital of the world? Well, maybe for tourists. But even if it is, do you also think Hurricane Katrina was a punishment inflicted on the city for its sinfulness? What about the the just Catholics who live in that city and watched their churches flooded and destoyed? Were they being punished for living in a major Catholic city of the United States? How do I know the good priest knows nothing about New Orleans? If he had lived in New Orleans and met the good Christians of that city, if he had known of the good and holy work being done by Catholic hospitals and schools and churches in that city, if he knew anything about the hard working clergy and sisters and faithful laity of that city, he could never have made the statement about the city which he in fact made.

 

[Shin]

To the angel of the church in Pergamum, write this: " 'The one with the sharp two-edged sword says this:

"I know that you live where Satan's throne is, and yet you hold fast to my name and have not denied your faith in me, not even in the days of Antipas, my faithful witness, who was martyred among you, where Satan lives.

 Yet I have a few things against you. You have some people there who hold to the teaching of Balaam, who instructed Balak to put a stumbling block before the Israelites: to eat food sacrificed to idols and to play the harlot.

Likewise, you also have some people who hold to the teaching of (the) Nicolaitans.

**Therefore, repent. Otherwise, I will come to you quickly and wage war against them with the sword of my mouth.**

 "To the angel of the church in Thyatira,  write this: " 'The Son of God, whose eyes are like a fiery flame and whose feet are like polished brass, says this:

"I know your works, your love, faith, service, and endurance, and that your last works are greater than the first.

Yet I hold this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, who teaches and misleads my servants to play the harlot and to eat food sacrificed to idols. 

I have given her time to repent, but she refuses to repent of her harlotry.

So I will cast her on a sickbed and plunge those who commit adultery with her into intense suffering unless they repent of her works.

** I will also put her children to death. Thus shall all the churches come to know that I am the searcher of hearts and minds and that I will give each of you what your works deserve.**

Revelation 2:12-16, 18-23

 

[Tsuwano]

Friend, surely you realize that the devil himself can quote scripture to make a point. I’m finished here.

 

[Dempsey1919]

The wolves who circle the Church waiting to devour her have won a victory. Somebody like Fr. Wagner was needed in Linz to fight dissidence and widespread heresy; Linz being known as one of the most liberal dioceses in the world.

The media are maliciously attacking the Holy Father and his decisions these days. We must pray that Pope Benedict remains resolute in his will, and confident in his leadership of the Universal Church.

The Evil One is doing all he can to prevent Benedict XVI from fighting liberalism, dissent, and heresy in the Church. That is why we must all pray unceasingly for the Holy Father and Holy Mother Church.

 

[Dempsey1919]

We now know for certain that there is a force within the Church which desires to undermine the will of the Holy Father, and wound the Apostolic Faith.

 

[CapIV]

Very sad. I hadn’t realized just how rabidly liberal the Church in Germany and Austria is

 

[bubba451]

Will the last conservative out of Europe please turn out the lights?

 

[servantofall]

The Harry Potter books contain material from actual spells and the names of actual demons.

New Orleans was and perhaps still is one of the Voodoo capitals of the world.

How do you know he ‘knows nothing about New Orleans’? How do you know the extent of this priest’s knowledge?

 

[servantofall]

The Harry Potter books contain material from actual spells and the names of actual demons.

New Orleans was and perhaps still is one of the Voodoo capitals of the world.

How do you know he ‘knows nothing about New Orleans’? How do you know the extent of this priest’s knowledge?

So because New Orleans was home to Marie Laveaux who made a living selling Voodoo potionsand spells,who by the way was a devout catholic, in the 19th century and was a port for Hatian slaves it is a voodoo capital? Catholicism was and is ingrained into the culture of the city. So much so that even protestants climb the steps on their knees praying the stations ot the cross at the shrine of St. Jude on Good Friday, and where 90%of the population catholic and non catholic receiv ashes on Ash wednesday. But because so many righteous people feel better saying that God punished the city of New Orleans, it makes the 2000 lives lost, or the 105,000 homes destroyed( of which one was mine), or the thousands that are still displaced or striggling to rebuilt seem just. Wouldn’t it be ironic if God was using New Orleans to get peoples attention to pray and worship him and not as a punishment. While you so gladly pointed out that bars and a couple of abortin clinics were destroyed, so were 105,000 house destroyed and 200,000+ damaged.Oh by the way so were 100’s of churches, of which mine was one. But through the grace of God I and thousands like me survived and rebuilt my home, life, and most importantly church. So while rejoicing at punishment, stop and pray that you’ll never experience a Katrina, I prayed that the didn’t experience a Gustaf in Gavleston. But that’s right, it’s not New Orleans, so they we not punished, just the victims of tragedy. Remember, "judge not leat ye be judged.

 

[RevDrNorth]

The Evil One is doing all he can to prevent Benedict XVI from fighting liberalism, dissent, and heresy in the Church. That is why we must all pray unceasingly for the Holy Father and Holy Mother Church.

While I cannot comment on the other issues noted, I do believe that there certainly ARE liberals within the Church and without who want Benedict XVI to be marginalized. You had the same issue with JPII. There are people who want gay marriage, women’s ordination, pro abortion, and a host of other pet issues to be accepted by the Church. There are others who want a stance that reflects prevailing liberal views that all ways lead to God and all will get to heaven (making little point in believing in anything). When Benedict or any other leader does or says anything contrary people get ticked.

Benedict should NOT apologize for believing that Jesus Christ founded the Catholic Church, NOR that there are moral issues upon which the Bible and the Church speak that are not up for negotiation. Benedict does NOT need to believe that all ways lead to Christ. The fullness of truth is only revealed in Christ Jesus. We have plenty of men and women who are of straw faith. Christianity needs leaders who have the strength of conviction done in love BUT built solidly on scripture.

PS I am not addressing the Bishop issues with Harry P and the other stuff. I certainly DO NOT believe that God went about murdering innocent people in New Orleans for some great purpose. N.O had corruption and sin issues but so apparently does Illinois and NJ. I wish people would not blame God for morally neutral forces such as weather (outcome may be bad but a storm is simply a storm). Anyone recall Noah and the Rainbow. I any case, I think God gets blamed for a lot of things that mankind does or nature that are the result of living in a sinful and fallen world.

 

[Leeta]

Sure the Harry Potter books are basically promoting satanism!!
There are many Catholics, including the chief exorcist of Rome who sees “the signature of Satan all over the books”. Steve Wood and many others have written extensively about this.

The occult is real, folks.

Maybe, Katrina was a punishment from God. We don’t know since we are not God. It could well have been. It has nothing to do with the righteous who were there. Sodom had only 8 righteous in it and it still was destroyed with fire form heaven!

It is too bad about Bishop Wagner. Maybe Benedict can talk him into it. There are quite a few open Communists (or should I say Nazis) in those countries who quite versed in concerted innuendo, hate campaigns and calumny against good people.
I knew a German priest who had the a similar campaign made against him by the Church bureaucrats and bishops. He was followed around for 5 years by the German eqivalent of the FBI. All his telephone conversations were wire-tapped.