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mardukm
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I don’t understand why the article claims that the episode will be a diminution of the papacy.
Pope's appointee bullied into submission in Austria Update: Pope accepts request
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pnewton
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I think I agree with this, but I am open to correction. When we have a candidate for ordination, we have it published at our church for the express purpose of letting anyone step forward who believes they have some information that has bearing on the ordination. How is this case different?I don’t understand why the article claims that the episode will be a diminution of the papacy.
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Layman
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Re: New Orleans.
Try this for size: ‘The Holy City Of New Orleans’. Doesn’t really fit, does it? It’s noted for Jazz, Voodoo and easy living.
God kills us at his will and pleasure. He made us, he can unmake us. Our souls then go to Him, or not. Blessed is the Name Of The Lord.
In an odd way I’m glad these ructions are occuring (+Williamson, Wagner). The Modernist Schism which has been simmering away for 40+ years can now be brought to a head, and we might finally be able to get a TLM and some traditional teaching in every parish in Catholic Christendom when it’s all done and dusted.
Try this for size: ‘The Holy City Of New Orleans’. Doesn’t really fit, does it? It’s noted for Jazz, Voodoo and easy living.
God kills us at his will and pleasure. He made us, he can unmake us. Our souls then go to Him, or not. Blessed is the Name Of The Lord.
In an odd way I’m glad these ructions are occuring (+Williamson, Wagner). The Modernist Schism which has been simmering away for 40+ years can now be brought to a head, and we might finally be able to get a TLM and some traditional teaching in every parish in Catholic Christendom when it’s all done and dusted.
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Joannm
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God kills us at his will and pleasure?
That is not the God that I know, and please show me where in Church teaching it says that.
Jesus came so that we might live, and live life abundantly. God does not kill his creation.
That is not the God that I know, and please show me where in Church teaching it says that.
Jesus came so that we might live, and live life abundantly. God does not kill his creation.
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Corki
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The difference is that Bishop Wagner is already consecrated. The publishing of candidates for ordination is to make sure there are no impediments to ordination. Once ordination or consecration has already taken place, assignment is for the good of the Church, as determined by the Holy Father.
I am not commenting on the specifics of Bishop Wagner since I don’t feel I have enough information. Just answering your specific question.
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Layman
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To: Joannm:
Errr … Sodom And Gomorrah? The Flood? Passover?
My opinion: I don’t know how active a part he takes Himself. People behave badly, and bad things happen to them. I’ve also read that saintly, delicate souls are taken unto Him while young, so they are not tainted by the world.
My opinion is that because we have immortal souls, the life or death of our bodies is not as important to Him as it is to us. He has us in His hands, regardless.
PS: Of course, New Orleans isn’t helped by being near large bodies of water. A similar thing is happening in a small town near where my family are from. If you live near a big river, you need big dykes, ditches, levees and they need to be well-maintained. And you never build on a flood plain.
The locals are complaining to the local council. What can the council do? Lower the river or raise the town? Best they can do is have excellent flood channels and build up banks, I suppose.
My brother said he saw on TV that people in N.O. had built houses at the bottom of a 30ft levee(?). Didn’t the wealthy people with older houses escape because those were in the area, above the water line, that was intact after the last N.O. flood?
Apologies for going off-topic. I think I have a touch of forum-mania.
Errr … Sodom And Gomorrah? The Flood? Passover?
My opinion: I don’t know how active a part he takes Himself. People behave badly, and bad things happen to them. I’ve also read that saintly, delicate souls are taken unto Him while young, so they are not tainted by the world.
My opinion is that because we have immortal souls, the life or death of our bodies is not as important to Him as it is to us. He has us in His hands, regardless.
PS: Of course, New Orleans isn’t helped by being near large bodies of water. A similar thing is happening in a small town near where my family are from. If you live near a big river, you need big dykes, ditches, levees and they need to be well-maintained. And you never build on a flood plain.
The locals are complaining to the local council. What can the council do? Lower the river or raise the town? Best they can do is have excellent flood channels and build up banks, I suppose.
My brother said he saw on TV that people in N.O. had built houses at the bottom of a 30ft levee(?). Didn’t the wealthy people with older houses escape because those were in the area, above the water line, that was intact after the last N.O. flood?
Apologies for going off-topic. I think I have a touch of forum-mania.
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rien
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The point is the Pope essentially backed down. It can be twrmed a retraction by the priest from the nomination but the message is the same.
I think if the European bishops stand up inspired by the Holy Spirit they can prevent a reconcilliation with the SPPX. Which, IMO, would be distrous.
Pray that the Spirit inspires more bishops - maybe Amercian ones - to be so bold as to step out in faith and truth as the Austrian bishops have.
This is like JP2 trying to impose a rigid, and un-Christian, fiat on American Catholic universities. It went no where.
I suspect Benedict’s attempt to impose Tridentism will go no where also. The Spirit is raising up inspired opposition.
I think if the European bishops stand up inspired by the Holy Spirit they can prevent a reconcilliation with the SPPX. Which, IMO, would be distrous.
Pray that the Spirit inspires more bishops - maybe Amercian ones - to be so bold as to step out in faith and truth as the Austrian bishops have.
This is like JP2 trying to impose a rigid, and un-Christian, fiat on American Catholic universities. It went no where.
I suspect Benedict’s attempt to impose Tridentism will go no where also. The Spirit is raising up inspired opposition.
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Layman
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*"This is like JP2 trying to impose a rigid, and un-Christian, fiat on American Catholic universities. It went no where.
I suspect Benedict’s attempt to impose Tridentism will go no where also. The Spirit is raising up inspired opposition."*
The Holy Spirit inspiring opposition to a Pope? That’s a new one.
If the Church continue as-is, you’ll have to travel twenty miles to get to a Mass in twenty years time. Pope Benedict is trying to save the Church.
Fast-forward another twenty years. I’m on my death-bed (if God is kind). I send for a priest. I get a ‘Eucharistic minister’, because the nearest priest is forty miles away and overworked.
I suspect Benedict’s attempt to impose Tridentism will go no where also. The Spirit is raising up inspired opposition."*
The Holy Spirit inspiring opposition to a Pope? That’s a new one.
If the Church continue as-is, you’ll have to travel twenty miles to get to a Mass in twenty years time. Pope Benedict is trying to save the Church.
Fast-forward another twenty years. I’m on my death-bed (if God is kind). I send for a priest. I get a ‘Eucharistic minister’, because the nearest priest is forty miles away and overworked.
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mardukm
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What provision is there in the Latin Canon law for the Pope to be able to appoint an auxiliary bishop without the say of the local ordinary? I couldn’t find any.
Blessings,
Marduk
Blessings,
Marduk
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LRThunder
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Even if the local ordinary has some say, why are the other bishops in Austria trying to dictate who the new auxiliary bishop of Linz is? Certainly the Cardinal Archbishop of Vienna is not the local ordinary of Linz (granted, he is the Metropolitan).
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dans0622
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Hi Marduk,
Cc. 377-378 are to the point. While there is a procedure for the suggesting of names to the Pope, the bottom line is:
Can. 377 §1. The Supreme Pontiff freely appoints bishops or confirms those legitimately elected.
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Can. 378 §2. The definitive judgment concerning the suitability of the one to be promoted pertains to the Apostolic See.
But, again, there is generally a process of suggesting names, which the Pope doesn’t have to follow. Although, it generally is a safe move to pick someone who is suggested:
C. 377 §4. Unless other provision has been legitimately made, a diocesan bishop who judges that an auxiliary should be given to his diocese is to propose to the Apostolic See a list of at least three presbyters more suitable for this office.
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Can. 403 §1. When the pastoral needs of a diocese suggest it, one or more auxiliary bishops are to be appointed at the request of the diocesan bishop. An auxiliary bishop does not possess the right of succession.
I know nothing about the process that went into the appointment of the person in question or who was consulted, etc…
Dan
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Volodymyr_988
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You can’t be both a Catholic and a pagan. Your profile says Catholic, you should know better.
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Volodymyr_988
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Trent and Vatican II are BOTH Ecumenical Councils. Imposition of one or the other cannot happen. What most people think Vatican II proposed is false.
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weepixie71
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i find this statement a little far fetched. i took my daughter the our parish priest about the harry potter books because of all the commotion it was stirring. the books were out for a while. id say the third book was out by then. the priest said depended on the maturity of the child. if she knows the difference between fantasy and reality then they are all right to read.
i have even seen them in catholic school library’s.
may i ask where you got your info?
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