Pope's comment ordination of gay people

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Deep-seated heterosexual inclinations aren’t disordered, whereas deep-seated homosexual inclinations are.
 
Yes, but why would that be an impediment or risk for gay people going to seminaries?
 
From what I’ve read, the recommendation of not ordaining is geared towards people that would advocate against the Church’s stance on sexual morals or who have practiced same sex intercourse and are likely to do so again. In contrast, from what I’ve read, a man with SSA who is living a life within the Church’s morals, would still be a potential candidate for ordination.
 
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Hmmm that’s a pretty grey line. I have no idea though what the church considers deep rooted tendencies.
 
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A natural heterosexual orientation and a deep seating homosexual orientation are not equivalent to each other. I know that this is the opposite of what modern culture teaches. Some men with SSA remain celibate, but some cannot or do not. Ordaining men with deep seated SSA has been a disaster in many diocese. All of the recent popes have cautioned bishops against ordaining homosexual men.
 
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some (not myself, dont attack me if you’re offended) have argued that SSA can be an impediment to spiritual fatherhood, a very necessary component of the priesthood.
 
No man who cannot control his sexual inclinations should become a priest.
It matters not who one is attracted to, it matters how those attractions are dealt with.
 
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DonQuichote1235 said:
Can someone explain to me why gay people would rather not be ordained? Heterosexual men can also have ‘deep-seated’ heterosexual inclinations. I don’t understand why for gay men it is not good to be ordained?
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Open homosexuality gives a lot of straight men the creeps, and there is already a problem with getting men involved in the church.

The church needs to encourage more Karl Malden and Bing Crosby types to discern priestly vocations, not so much with homosexual men.
 
Who says gay guys can’t be that type? You’re propagating a rather unfair stereotype here, IMO

I know a few SSA guys who seem straighter than straight on the outside.
 
fwiw, the deep rooted inclinations of hetersexuals is concordant with their nature as men, complementary to women.

So the idea is that homosexual men have disordered inclinations…and thus are in some way handicapped from the outset.

The much higher rate of suicide, mental illness, and so forth of the homosexual community in the larger population in general also buttresses this point.

Something is amiss, and since the priesthood is very demanding, it’s better not to overburden those men with disordered tendencies.

I think that’s the logic.
 
A few years ago, when I was looking into joining the priesthood, it wasn’t a 100% rule that candidates for the priesthood not have SSA, but it was something they should be concerned about.

The reason was, I was told, that if someone has SSA it might be difficult to live and work in an all-male community and focus on his job.
 
Because it’s a near occasion of sin for a same sex attracted priest. Priest live a lot of their lives (if not the majority) of their lives with other men. With religious orders, it’s in community. With diocesan priests, while technically not “in community,” they do typically live with other priests. Plus, all the years of seminary, spiritual counseling, etc.

A bishop cannot assign every single priest with deep seated homosexual tendencies to a parish with only one priest.

The church has had same sex attracted priests for centuries. The Church doesn’t have a total ban against them, just ones with “deep seated attraction.” But the Church knows first hand what can happen when men with deep seated attraction live in communion.

Priests with deep seated attraction towards women do no live with women, so for them, it’s no different than ever other single man. But for a gay man trying to live a chaste lifestyle, living with another man (men) could be difficult. Even if he can control his desires, he could fall in love with another priest - making his life even more stressful.

I pray this helps.

God Bless
 
DonQuichote1235 said:
Yes, but why would that be an impediment or risk for gay people going to seminaries?
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The concern is that it is a disorder with which they must battle. This is a liability to an entire flock at a parish or even a diocese, and it has already created plenty of problems.
 
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No man who cannot control his sexual inclinations should become a priest.
It matters not who one is attracted to, it matters how those attractions are dealt with.
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Correct.

However, it’s also often difficult for a deep seated homosexual to teach that homosexual acts are mortally sinful, sometimes even more so than the habitual fornicator / adulterer heterosexual to teach that fornication is mortally sinful.

As we should all know by now, it’s very hard for homosexuals to separate the fact that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered, while they homosexual person is not. They really suffer with the concept of love sinner, hate the sin; because their homosexuality becomes part of their personal experience.

God bless.
 
Since the Church declares that homosexual activity is always intrinsically immoral, it follows that homosexual tendencies are objectively disordered. This is because, unlike heterosexual tendencies, homosexual tendencies orient one to what is always intrinsically immoral. For a man, they do not orient one to the feminine, which is the objective of mature male psychosexual desire. Deep seated homosexual tendencies, therefore, prevent affective maturity. It follows, then, that even in a chaste, celibate state, these tendencies prevent the man from attaining true affective maturity inasmuch as he is incapable, even in the practice of celibacy, of having affective desires that are rightly ordered. It is presumed that this lack of maturity and rightly ordered desire, as they manifest through deep seated homosexual tendencies, is innately deleterious to the way the man would relate to others through the ministerial priesthood. Indeed, the sacrificial nature of a life of priestly celibacy, too, is negated by deep seated homosexual tendencies since what is being “sacrificed” should never be desired in the first place.
 
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phil19034 said:
As we should all know by now, it’s very hard for homosexuals to separate the fact that homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered, while they homosexual person is not.
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This may be your experience, but not mine, and certainly not the gay men & women I know.

In fact, I know far many more heterosexual Catholics who see nothing inherently wrong with sex outside of marriage, masturbation, porn, etc. and see the Church’s stance on sexual morality as antiquated.

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How is it any more of a liability than a man who has a drinking and/or drug problem, or a heterosexual man who does not have a mastery of his sexual urges.
 
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CilladeRoma said:
How is it any more of a liability than a man who has a drinking and/or drug problem, or a heterosexual man uses pwho does not have a mastery of his sexula urges.
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I’m not sure it is anymore. I’m not saying it is or it isn’t more so, but it at the very least is a liability since the seminary is not the place to be exploring and working through these very serious issues. Just as marriage is not for the insecure, the priesthood is not for the mentally disordered.

I have seldom heard debate about whether or not an alcoholic or someone battling some sort of addiction at all should or shouldn’t enter into the seminary. For some reason, it is always homosexuals, and for some reason, homosexuality is front and center of so much discussion. Some can’t stop talking about it.
 
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