Pope's comment ordination of gay people

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Which still doesn’t prove causation.
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No, it doesn’t prove it, and your postulation, or the one above about people who are gay seeking refuge in the priesthood, could well be a causative factor.

Yet even if this is the case, then the position of Pope Benedict and Pope Francis on those with deep-seated homosexual tendencies not being admitted into seminaries is even more relevant.
 
In other words, you have no proof. No one is arguing that homosexual acts are not mortal sins that place one in danger of Hell. But people tend to harp on this particular sin while winking at other mortal sins because this one is committed by “those people over there.”
 
And with good reason because the homosexual lobby represents a grave threat to civilization
 
@Sursum-Corda and @anon10271182
Yes, I know what Aquinas says, and while a Doctor of the Church, he is not the Magisterium.

I am asking @Sursum-Corda for a source that proves that the Church unequivocally teaches homosexual sex is the most grievous of all sins.

This is the last time I will ask.
If you cannot supply it, that is enough proof to me that what you claim in your opinion and that a relevant Church document does not exsist.
 
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From the article:
A report by Vatican Insider says Francis told the Italian prelates: “These tendencies, when they are ‘deeply rooted,’ and the practice of homosexual acts, can compromise the life of the seminary beyond that of the young man himself and his eventual future priesthood.”

The later part is obvious; if someone is currently practicing any mortal sin, they won’t be able to be a good priest. The meeting was about homosexual stuff, which is why I emphasized the word I did to differentiate. As far as “deeply rooted” goes, it’s kind of ambiguous except maybe for the context of the meeting. Maybe if we were there, we could have the proper context, but I suppose it could also apply to any mortal sin too. Like if he has a straight porno problem or kleptomania.

As I said in another thread, I don’t have a problem with priests who are gay simply because they’re homosexuals. “Deeply rooted” and “practicing” seem to agree with the differentiation issue he raised in the selectively edited quote “Who am I to judge?” Press Conference of the Holy Father during the flight back (28 July 2013) | Francis (It’s at the bottom)
 
The Catholic Church is not “sola-scriptura”

You are making a claim that the Church teaches something. It should not be too difficult for you to find Magisterial evidence.

I also suggest that you do not tell me what to do. I will continue to say that you are wrong until you prove otherwise. Silence is not my strong suit.
 
Second most grevious, according to orthodox Catholic Moral Theology teachings.
 
It seems to me you are only interested in point scoring to the detriment of the substantive issue concerning the radical evil that the homosexual lobby have inflicted and continue to inflict on the Roman Catholic Church.

You are deceived into normalizing this vice as though it was natural and on a par with natural sins of lust.

Objectively it is not but you refuse to make these distinctions because you are not discerning the situation in the church correctly.
 
Here is what the Church teaches regarding homosexuality.
Chastity and homosexuality

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
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Please show me where it states what you claim.

Here is my source
 
This is probably rooted in the fact that all candidates for the priesthood must completely abandon their sexual tendencies.
 
Wrong.
There is an enormous difference between normal sexual attraction between men and women and the sexual attraction between members of the same sex for each other.

The former is completely within the order of nature as God intended.
The latter completely outside that order.
 
Yes, seen it. Most people can’t handle Aquinas–he’s profoundly deep.The Catechism is written for the average level of understanding so it doesn’t go into Thomistic moral theology much. If you really want to understand, I’d recommend taking a solid course in the subject. Holy Apostles is a good choice, or Avila Institute for a diplomate or grad level course in .Moral Theology.
 
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I would point out that the reason the Catechism doesn’t “go into Thomistic moral theology much” is that Thomism isn’t the official teaching of the Church: It’s one of a number of theological constructs permissible to hold within the Church and no more than that.
 
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It may be about time to get back on topic and let starve the trolling.
 
And how do you know that I have not taken a Master’s level moral theology course. Is it just because I don’t agree with you?
 
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