Pope's comment ordination of gay people

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I think more damage is done from abandoning a spouse(rejecting a sacrament and a vow) for another especially if there are children. I don’t know though. It’s my opinion. I think how culpable people are would
be different. Also it would be situational. Abandoning an abusive spouse would be different. It really is case by case. It’s why it can make it so hard to say with complete accuracy whether 1 sin is worse than other sometimes. Other times it’s not so hard. But please, if you have a counter argument, I am interested in hearing it.
 
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We all should.And if you’re scrupulous like me, maybe more so.

As to the two scenarios, we really can’t compare them directly because you introduced the additional sin of vow breaking. But–I just finished reading L’Inferno, again. Dante, being a Thomist, had a definite sin hierarchy (or lowerarchy) in mind when he described which sinners were in which level of Hell. The gist is, as you may know, that a sinner was located according to his or her worst sin, if they had more than one sin that merited Hell. So someone whose only sin was heterosexual fornication would be near the top–Circle 2. One whose only sin was homosexual intercourse would be in Circle 7. But a heterosexual fornicator who also committed alchemy or bore false witness would be on level 8–lower than the homosexual intercourse sinner.
 
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Yes, but aren’t candidates to the priesthood (in most cases) required to take a vow of celibacy in the Latin Rite? If one isn’t fully willing to abandon their carnal desires, then they shouldn’t be allowed to enter the priesthood.
 
If bears aren’t neurotic how come they hide away in caves for months at a time, then act all psycho when they finally come out, eh?
Ha!
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Which is it–John, or Jay? So confusing!
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Because they are hungry and haven’t pooped for the amount of time they are asleep. They plug up their bums with bark and pinecones.

Incidentally, bears don’t make that face when they’re angry either. That face is made by specially trained bears who have been taught to “look fierce” for the length of a picture in order to get a treat. So if you see a bear doing that, he’s expecting a grape or a cookie.
 
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Men who enter religious life and the priesthood are entering a lifestyle in which they will be living in close contact with members of the same sex. They will be eating together and sleeping in close proximity to one another.
If someone who aspires to the priesthood has really strong deep seated same sex attraction this will cause problems for the community. It is expected that when someone is ordained he will either make a promise of celibacy or will have already made a promise of chastity. While there may be a technical difference between these promises, for all practical purposes they mean the same thing. If this same sex attraction is something that someone cannot control themselves then not to go through with a life in which he is unable or unwilling to live.
If you read the news you will see that this is where a lot of these scandals have been coming from.
 
It’s all a matter of self-control.
If a person can control their sexual urges, none of this is going to be an issue.
If a person can’t control their sexual urges, it will be a big issue whether the person is gay or straight.
We have seen the exact same thing with men in the military, where they likewise have to live in a community with other men, but will also have a lot of exposure to women.
 
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Others choose to operate from emotion and sometimes, perhaps, from progressivist liberalism.
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I would say there is evidence that this is universal, applicable to Thomists and traditionalists, as much as progressive liberals. After all, it seems to me to be universal that the sins most often condemned are the sins of others, those to which “they” fall prey to, never those sins which are of the greatest temptation to the liberal, progressive, or the Thomist/traditionalist.

I like to remember that the greatest paragon of evil, Lucifer, fell from the sin of pride, and that the deadly sins number seven, not one.
 
No kidding it’s sad,but that is the reality I live in.
I have a few very close friends who are gay, and try hard to live chastly.
It is very difficult for them to watch what goes on in real life as far as the double standards of sexual morality go. If your gay, everyone is worried about your morals, if your straight, them the rules are “stupid”.
 
He can dig those out of my backpack himself after I throw it at him!
 
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