Pope's prayer at Ground Zero

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For those catholic christians that watched and/or listened (or read) the pope’s prayer at Ground Zero, you’ll notice that there was no reference to the Holy Trinity or the Lord Jesus Christ. Can this be considered a true christian prayer?

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For those catholic christians that watched and/or listened (or read) the pope’s prayer at Ground Zero, you’ll notice that there was no reference to the Holy Trinity or the Lord Jesus Christ. Can this be considered a true christian prayer?

ra
 
Catholics always start and end a prayer with the sign of the cross “In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit”, so any prayer would be considered trinitarion, whether or not it directly invoked the Trinity of the Holy Name of Jesus
 
Is the Lord’s Prayer a christian prayer? It does not mention the Trinity or Jesus Christ. Something to ponder!!

The prayer at ground zero is a beautiful “universal prayer” It is a prayer to GOD! It is a perfect fit for all who believe in God. What could be more fitting at a place where thousands of many belief systems perished. So is it chrisitan?? Yes! Is it Jewish?? Yes, etc, etc. etc…

Love and peace

Mom of 5
 
The Lord’s Prayer does not mention these either - is it a proper Christian prayer?

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Mom of 5

So the pope had to be politically correct with his prayer at Ground Zero? Mentioning the name Jesus would have spoiled the show?

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jrsmith

If I remember correctly what I saw, the pope did not start that prayer with the sign of the cross.

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rasuq said:
jrsmith

If I remember correctly what I saw, the pope did not start that prayer with the sign of the cross.

ra
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That is IF you remember correctly and assuming (incorrectly) that only proper prayer starts with the sign of the cross.
 
Eilish_Maura said:
The Lord’s Prayer does not mention these either - is it a proper Christian prayer?

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The Lord’s Prayer is quite trinitarian and christian: it is prayer addressed to a personal Abba, Father, not just “God”.

ra
 
Mom_of_5 said:
Is the Lord’s Prayer a christian prayer? It does not mention the Trinity or Jesus Christ. Something to ponder!!

Mom of 5
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The Lord’s Prayer is quite trinitarian and christian: it is prayer addressed to a personal Abba, Father, not just “God”.

ra
 
Eilish_Maura said:
How is the Trinity mentioned?
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C’mon, you dont have to mention “Trinity” for your prayer to be trinitatrian. “Our Father” is just simply a christain concept; its “the Son” calling His Father. That’s trinitarian.

What happened at Ground Zero what an attempt to appeal to all and sundry by eliminating basic christian formula. IOW it was an attempt to be politically correct.

I love B16, but I expected better from him.
 
rasuq said:
C’mon, you dont have to mention “Trinity” for your prayer to be trinitatrian. “Our Father” is just simply a christain concept; its “the Son” calling His Father. That’s trinitarian.

What happened at Ground Zero what an attempt to appeal to all and sundry by eliminating basic christian formula. IOW it was an attempt to be politically correct.

I love B16, but I expected better from him.
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You were the one who implied there are specific ‘requirements’ (“there was no reference to the Holy Trinity or the Lord Jesus Christ”).

BTW - the Lord’s Prayer also does not mention Jesus - so how does that fit your ‘basic christian formula’? Remember - Jesus is teaching us how to pray.
 
Here is the prayer in question:
O God of love, compassion, and healing,
look on us, people of many different faiths
and traditions,
who gather today at this site,
the scene of incredible violence and pain.
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We ask you in your goodness
to give eternal light and peace
to all who died here —
the heroic first-responders:
our fire fighters, police officers,
emergency service workers, and
Port Authority personnel,
along with all the innocent men and women
who were victims of this tragedy
simply because their work or service
brought them here on September 11, 2001.
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We ask you, in your compassion
to bring healing to those
who, because of their presence here that day,
suffer from injuries and illness.
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Heal, too, the pain of still-grieving families
and all who lost loved ones in this tragedy.
Give them strength to continue their lives
with courage and hope.
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We are mindful as well
of those who suffered death, injury, and loss
on the same day at the Pentagon and in
Shanksville, Pennsylvania.
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Our hearts are one with theirs
as our prayer embraces their pain and suffering.
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God of peace, bring your peace to our violent world:
peace in the hearts of all men and women
and peace among the nations of the earth.
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Turn to your way of love
those whose hearts and minds
are consumed with hatred.
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God of understanding,
overwhelmed by the magnitude of this tragedy,
we seek your light and guidance
as we confront such terrible events.
Grant that those whose lives were spared
may live so that the lives lost here
may not have been lost in vain.
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Comfort and console us,
strengthen us in hope,
and give us the wisdom and courage
to work tirelessly for a world
where true peace and love reign
among nations and in the hearts of all.
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So because this prayer did not specifically state, “God–Father, Son and Spirit”, you think it isn’t referring to a specifically “Christian” God?

God is Trinity. God the Father–God the Son–God the Holy Spirit.

For a Pope or indeed any Catholic or other Christian to pray to God means that person is invoking all three members whether he ‘enumerates them’ or not, because "God’ is Trinity.

I think your concerns, OP, are a bit misplaced.

The phrase “more Catholic than the Pope” is curiously apposite to your reasoning, I think!

I ask you then. . .if you think Pope Benedict wasn’t addressing ‘the Christian God’, by praying to “God”. . .just who was he addressing? Are you going to claim it was ‘only’ the Father, ‘only’ the Son, or ‘only’ the Spirit–or that he somehow ‘bypassed’ the ‘real’ God and was praying to a fake one–and in that case, exactly which ‘fake’ God was it and how do you know?
 
Since you saw fit to post the same thing on two fora (this and apologetics) why don’t you check out what I said to you on the apologetics thread?

P.S. --Mods, would you either ‘combine’ these two thread on exactly the same topic into whichever forum is most suitable, or deal with them as you see fit, please?

Here again is what Pope Benedict actually said.

O God of love, compassion, and healing,
look on us, people of many different faiths
and traditions,
who gather today at this site,
the scene of incredible violence and pain.

We ask you in your goodness
to give eternal light and peace
to all who died here —
the heroic first-responders:
our fire fighters, police officers,
emergency service workers, and
Port Authority personnel,
along with all the innocent men and women
who were victims of this tragedy
simply because their work or service
brought them here on September 11, 2001.

We ask you, in your compassion
to bring healing to those
who, because of their presence here that day,
suffer from injuries and illness.

Heal, too, the pain of still-grieving families
and all who lost loved ones in this tragedy.
Give them strength to continue their lives
with courage and hope.

We are mindful as well
of those who suffered death, injury, and loss
on the same day at the Pentagon and in
Shanksville, Pennsylvania.

Our hearts are one with theirs
as our prayer embraces their pain and suffering.

God of peace, bring your peace to our violent world:
peace in the hearts of all men and women
and peace among the nations of the earth.

Turn to your way of love
those whose hearts and minds
are consumed with hatred.

God of understanding,
overwhelmed by the magnitude of this tragedy,
we seek your light and guidance
as we confront such terrible events.
Grant that those whose lives were spared
may live so that the lives lost here
may not have been lost in vain.

Comfort and console us,
strengthen us in hope,
and give us the wisdom and courage
to work tirelessly for a world
where true peace and love reign
among nations and in the hearts of all.

Now I’ll ask you again: Since God is Trinity–Father, Son, and Spirit–then addressing simply “God” IS addressing all three divine persons who are in one God, whether we ‘enumerate’ them or not.

Or are you claiming that the Pope only addressed the Father? Or the Son? Or the Spirit? or that he is addressing a ‘fake’ God. If so–WHICH fake god and how do YOU know?
 
Just one question to ponder. How can a prayer by the Vicar of Christ on earth for people who have suffered for died because of this tragedy, not be a Catholic and Christian prayer.
Prayers & blessings
Deacon Ed B
 
Eilish_Maura said:
That is IF you remember correctly and assuming (incorrectly) that only proper prayer starts with the sign of the cross.
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For the record, he did not begin or end the prayer with the sign of the cross.

He didn’t make the sign of the cross when he knelt and prayed silently by himself, either.
 
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