Pope's words

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My mother a protestant asked me “What is this about the Pope saying that you don’t have to be christian to be saved?” or something like that. Is there some kind of rumor going around that he said something like this? I told them I don’t know what was said. They love to jump to conclusions about things. Does anyone know what this is about?
 
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My mother a protestant asked me “What is this about the Pope saying that you don’t have to be christian to be saved?” or something like that. Is there some kind of rumor going around that he said something like this? I told them I don’t know what was said. They love to jump to conclusions about things. Does anyone know what this is about?
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Probably from the misquoted interview Pope Francis had with the atheist Eugenio Scalfari. Your mother probably read a secular news story, and we know how inaccurate they are. Here is a Catholic source

catholicnewsagency.com/news/pope-to-atheist-all-people-can-receive-grace-seek-the-good/

Hope that helps. If not, try googling as I vaguely remember Father Barron putting the record straight.
 
I think that the Pope meant here that Jesus has redeemed all of us by His Paschal Mystery, no matter who we are. However, one has to be Catholic to receive that salvation.
 
It’s true - when we get to Heaven, we will meet those who died in invincible ignorance.

Glenda
 
billcu1 said:
My mother a protestant asked me “What is this about the Pope saying that you don’t have to be christian to be saved?” or something like that. Is there some kind of rumor going around that he said something like this? I told them I don’t know what was said. They love to jump to conclusions about things. Does anyone know what this is about?
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Catechism of the Catholic Church, Paragraphs 847-848:
This affirmation [no salvation outside the Church] is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:
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Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience – those too may achieve eternal salvation.
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Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men
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That is what the Pope was alluding to.
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If the Pope, on the other hand said “There’s is 100% no salvation outside of the Church and the Catholic/Christian Faith” he would be committing to heresy.
 
colliric said:
Catechism of the Catholic Church, Paragraphs 847-848:

That is what the Pope was alluding to.
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If the Pope, on the other hand said “There’s is 100% no salvation outside of the Church and the Catholic/Christian Faith” he would be committing to heresy.
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I guess heresy would be less serious than apostasy wouldn’t it? 😊
 
I find it amazing how far from accurate some twist the Holy Father’s words. I had one woman tell me she heard he was open to the idea of women’s ordination because of a twist in his words by some secular media’s reports in the news. Oh well. I’m getting used to it.

Glenda
 
Back when I was arguing with anti-catholics, I phrased it like this:

All who are saved, are saved by the Jesus’ death and ressurrection, even if they don’t know it. All who are saved are part of His Church, even if they deny it.

A slightly different situation, but this was driven home to me once while watching Journey Home on EWTN. The guest was a Jewish convert who was trying to talk to his mother on her death bed about Jesus. But she wouldn’t have it. She said that all her life, the name of “Jesus” had been used as a curse and reason to attack her, and she wouldn’t accept it from even her son.

Ignoring the fact that he was then able to reach her heart by using Jesus’ Hebrew name, it made real to me how people can reject Jesus and the Church – hate them even, yet it not be their fault, and that God’s grace can still work in them, despite the actions of so-called Christians.

Tom A.
 
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