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Can someone tell me where to find the appropriate response for a college teacher promoting her view of population control? Needless to say, she does not see the value of one more soul praising God for all eternity!
 
where to find an appropriate response ??? that is more of an opinion than an actual appropriate response, you have to consider your position on the matter, compose an answer and then be ready to defend that answer when you are challenged, in the end do not expect to " win " if it becomes an arguement, just be prepared to stand by your answer if it is what you believe.
she does not see the value of one more soul praising God for all eternity!
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She may not even be a Christian who knows, faith and population control are two different things the planet is only so big, resources appear to be endless at the moment but reality is it is not. The idea might not be so much on population control, but to try an subtly change the subject from " population control " to why one should wait to have children after they are married and financially stable, and or how to maintain a stability on this planet with population increasing, or you could argue that people are dieing in numbers equal to those that are being born ( if that is even a remote chance i dont know ).

But to merely argue that because we are Children of God that is enough of a reason to not want to decrease the population; sadly will probably not be a good starting point, If anything I would personally make that a side point, that human life is valuable to God or something of the sorts. IF you want to make your arguement or answer based entirely on faith , I would humbly suggest you do a lot of research starting with the catechism .

Also you should research on China and their population control methods and the quality of life those individuals have versus those who are not limited by how many children they can have, even those who have no financial stability and have multiple children and are living off the government.

Again none of this devalues the realtionship between " us " and God, nothing can ! And every human is indeed very valuable to God.
 
Depends on what she is saying.

But, off the top of my head…

Articles: EWTN’s document library has some good articles on population facts and myths

Book: The War On Population by Jacqueline Kasun

Video: Demographic Winter Vol 1 and 2

Website: www.pop.org
 
1ke said:
Depends on what she is saying.

But, off the top of my head…

Articles: EWTN’s document library has some good articles on population facts and myths

Book: The War On Population by Jacqueline Kasun

Video: Demographic Winter Vol 1 and 2

Website: www.pop.org
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I need to find Bishop Sheen’s quote on it, but it went something like its strange that they call it birth control since it has nothing to do with birth or control.
 
Mother Teresa once said having too many babies is like having too many flowers. Not possible!
 
Hubby was telling me how the one child policy in China is creating little Hitlers. In the sense that one boy (because girls are aborted) has 2 adult parents plus 4 adult grandparents waiting on him hand and foot. The concept of having siblings and sharing and helping them aren’t part of the equation for them. Imagine 6 adults at your beck and call all the while growing up. There’s a lot to be said for growing up in a family. (Not to mention, gender selection for abortion! )
 
“What the Church opposes is the imposition of demographic policies and the promotion of methods for limiting births which are contrary to the objective moral order and to the liberty, dignity and conscience of the human being. At the same time, the Holy See does not consider people as mere numbers, or only on economic terms. It emphatically states its concern that the poor not be singled out as if, by their very existence, they were the cause, rather than the victims, of the lack of development and of environmental degradation.
Serious as the problem of interrelation among environment, development and population is, it cannot be solved in an over-simplistic manner and many of the most alarming predictions have proven false and have been discredited by a number of recent studies. “People are born not only with mouths that need to be fed, but also with hands that can produce, and minds that can create and innovate.” As for the environment, just to mention one instance, countries with as few as 5% of the world population are responsible for more than one quarter of the principal greenhouse gas, while countries with up to a quarter of the world population contribute as little as 5% of the same greenhouse gas.”
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H.E. Archbishop Renato R. Martino, Head of the Holy See Delegation to the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, June 4, 1992.

Whenever the topic of population control comes up I always think of Margaret sanger and the eugenics movement. Vile evil stuff ! I wonder if that college professor knows her position on this subject is probably right in line with the ideas of the third Reich.
 
nkiolbasa said:
Can someone tell me where to find the appropriate response for a college teacher promoting her view of population control? Needless to say, she does not see the value of one more soul praising God for all eternity!
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What is this teacher’s reasoning? What are her references? Has she named any person or source?

Peace,
Ed
 
PennyinCanada said:
Hubby was telling me how the one child policy in China is creating little Hitlers. In the sense that one boy (because girls are aborted) has 2 adult parents plus 4 adult grandparents waiting on him hand and foot. The concept of having siblings and sharing and helping them aren’t part of the equation for them. Imagine 6 adults at your beck and call all the while growing up. There’s a lot to be said for growing up in a family. (Not to mention, gender selection for abortion! )
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I don’t see the logic in that at all. A friend of mine who had lived in China told me that Chinese parents and relatives are in many ways superior to many of their American counterparts. Also, Chinese culture is not American culture. Look up how Oriental cultures treat Grandparents in particular.

Peace,
Ed
 
Be good stewards of God’s green & blue earth. Over population, poverty, rising temperatures, waste of natural resources, growth in demands for energy, a limited supply of land, water, hydrocarbons, so what to do? Productivity can usually be increased so enough food is available or can be available if distribution and logistic bottlenecks are corrected. New sources of energy: fission, fusion, sun, wind, tides, can be developed economically to fuel the engine of productivity. Poverty? Management of economies surely could find a solution, but so far has not. The poor will alway be with us. Seems odd to me. Wars? . . . it begins to look more pessimistic. Unlimited demands for medical care, aging demographics, inadequate savings, depressed economy. Social engineering; genetic engineering. Yet, it seems best to invest as an uptick trader rather than always be a bear. Have many children to help on the farm, but only replace yourselves when you move to the city so the standard of living can be raised. Make more souls because souls are intrinsically good in value and qualitatively better than a lumps of coal. The hound of Heaven will chase down each soul and call it by its name. When the world is over populated, colonize the planets of the solar system. Surely God is an optimist and is able to create an unlimited supply of love. With resurrected bodies presumedly the demand for chemicals, fuel, building materials, water and food will fall to zero.
 
I wonder why she thinks the population should be controlled? Doesn’t she think God can take care of all his children?
 
The primary problems are these:

“There’s no such thing as having too much money.”

“If there’s no money in it, why bother?”

It’s not complicated but the real controller of the world, Wall Street, treats everything, including people, as commodities. A half million people starved to death in Sub-Saharan Africa? Oh well. Let’s line up some rich investment schemes.

A comedian who I will not name and is so vulgar and mostly inane as all get out, once said this. “I’ve got a question for all you billionaires going for your second billion. What are you going to do with it? Start your own space program?”

Peace,
Ed
 
Wall Street provides markets for farmers, manufacturers, shippers, traders, investors, and speculators to exchange goods & services for a common currency. Wall Street securitizes corn, oil, car loans, real estate, etc. into units of standard trade that provides liquidity, depth and breadth to the market. I don’t believe they sell enslaved human persons any more. What to do with a second fancy car, or a second billion dollars? Bill Gates – funds cures for disease that when worked out will have a leveraged beneficial effect on the poor. The more markets for commerce and the more innovations, the better. Wall Street, entrepreneurs, and savers are not evil. Rather, they assist in God’s will. The key is to mate this productive spirit with the Catholic Social Teachings, e.g., a fair living wage and to be responsible corporate citizens, as with promoting economic growth, productivity, and creating jobs and also by preventing inflation and deflation. Just government, regulation, taxation, and fiscal and monetary are the other part of the equation, with the consumer in the middle. Thus, no evil in wealth per se. Rather, the potential for economic goodwill to the commonweal.
 
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Nope. People are still having babies, but few fathers are hanging around. No disaster coming, just, “Mom? Where’s my dad?”

Peace,
Ed
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Declining fertility rates in the western world show that they are having too few babies, as well as out of wedlock babies. The fertility rates are at or below replacement level, which means that population will decline. That depopulation, once started, is difficult to stop, and causes many economic problems due to adverse demographics.
 
Whit_Dupree said:
Wall Street provides markets for farmers, manufacturers, shippers, traders, investors, and speculators to exchange goods & services for a common currency. Wall Street securitizes corn, oil, car loans, real estate, etc. into units of standard trade that provides liquidity, depth and breadth to the market. I don’t believe they sell enslaved human persons any more. What to do with a second fancy car, or a second billion dollars? Bill Gates – funds cures for disease that when worked out will have a leveraged beneficial effect on the poor. The more markets for commerce and the more innovations, the better. Wall Street, entrepreneurs, and savers are not evil. Rather, they assist in God’s will. The key is to mate this productive spirit with the Catholic Social Teachings, e.g., a fair living wage and to be responsible corporate citizens, as with promoting economic growth, productivity, and creating jobs and also by preventing inflation and deflation. Just government, regulation, taxation, and fiscal and monetary are the other part of the equation, with the consumer in the middle. Thus, no evil in wealth per se. Rather, the potential for economic goodwill to the commonweal.
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Sorry, I can’t stop laughing. You know what’s evil? Putting LDCs into debt and working out monopolies that benefit only the wealthy. The engineered global financial collapse of 2008 was planned. It sucked money out of everybody’s pockets.

biblehub.com/matthew/19-24.htm

Commodities, including people, as objects to extract cash from, are all that matters.

How many people were thrown out of their homes because of value inflation fraud?

dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/04/12/ex-credit-suisse-executive-pleads-guilty-to-inflating-value-of-mortgage-bonds/

After 2008, what happened to the biggest lifetime investment many people make? Where did home values go? Straight down. Where did unemployment go? Straight up.

Banks were granting mortgages to people who could barely pay the minimum on their monthly credit card bill. I spoke with a professional loan officer shortly after everything collapsed. She was the top mortgage person at her bank. The rules, she told me, had disappeared.

And Lehman Brothers? “How did we become so exposed?” You mean, for every dollar you actually owned you owed 23?

Did all financial institutions, especially Wall Street, forget what their job was sometime in 2008? Ford did not get a government bailout. You know why? They had their own people, in-house, dedicated to watching the stock market, and the moment they began to notice strange things happening, they acted to get their money out of the way of the big wrecking ball.

Nope. Nobody on Wall Street just fell asleep on the job one day. They just were betting on certain people with low credit ratings to pay in and then, when the last dollar was coming in and everything was turning in the wrong direction, well… everybody had to pay. And there was a certain man who is now in jail who made about $10 billion disappear.

I’ll bet nobody looked behind the copier.

Peace,
Ed
 
Yep, I agree with you there; that is correct, for that part of the business cycle. Both fiscal and Fed policy plus the various regulators were all priming the pump and asleep at the switch: have every one own a home without regard to ability to service the debt; way too much money chasing the housing market, so up go housing stock and prices to an inflationary asset bubble. Add to that gold rush of profit, fraud at the commercial loan desk! Excess money to be had with new investment products, like asset backed securities, chopped up to an ever expanding supply of derivatives, leveraged, as you say, up to 35X in the case of some global banks, and I suspect the correct unpublished figure was around 42X. Hubris in the first degree.

Lehman was both mismanaged and thought they were too big to fail, which they were, as it turned out, as the Fed reversed course and with an unprecedented move, opened the discount window not only to the investment banks but to their counter-parties (quasi insurance: derivative financial securities) so nearly any kind of junk paper could be accepted for discount (turn to temporary cash). The liquidity crisis was contained, the economy is recovering. Same with prior financial crisis and economic depressions in US and world history.

What about the first part of the last cycle: home loans available, home equity loans available for the first time in a mass market; jobs created with high wage rates; and growth of the economy generally, both domestic and global. How about the long term growth of economic activity in the industrial and now the computer age? Was Wall Street evil in all of that? Was the philanthropy that came from that wealth not in accord with Catholic Social Teaching?

There was a wealthy family of third or fourth generation in our neck of the woods who had a member mismanage their business into bankruptcy; the IRS sought to have the substantial cash gifts to the church returned, at least for the last several years, as attempts to hide assets. The courts decided the gifts were to the church as a normal tithing pattern over many years, and the religious right to give back to God was upheld, so the church did not have to repay. That so-called inherited thus evil money was not used for excessive living, and did not go to taxes to fund the military or the entitlement programs but to fund the administration of the church. Some people would claim that outcome was morally good, others morally bad, and many do not care. The part I got a smile from was that the IRS lost.

Yep, may the Peace of Christ be with us all and keep us away from hubris.
 
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Above is an article on a (fast made, new and large hedge fund) fortune that came out of the fraud collapse company Enron. A trader in natural gas was speculative with big trading positions that paid off. His philanthropic methodology is to go long term and deep down the vertical root cause of a societal problems that normal giving does not address, e.g., benefit/cost analysis of incarcerating criminals without an estimate of the risk of repeat offenders.

At the end of this article is aid to hunger in a local food distribution center. Deeper data about users of the food bank indicates jobless families had shelter but lacked food, because of (fear of living on the streets due to crime?). A novel focus of this philanthropy is to conduct broad research among experts and then to design and conduct long term trials on obesity.

This person and his wife plan to give away almost all of the fortune. That is the current best practice in philanthropy.](http://http://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-new-science-of-giving-212647170.html)
 
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