Population growth and poverty

[Jonatello]

there’s more than enough on this planet for everyone

just not enough of the crumbs that almost everyone has been left to fight over

 

[Monte_RCMS]

there’s more than enough on this planet for everyone

just not enough of the crumbs that almost everyone has been left to fight over

The issue is not resources … the issue is control.

Think Somalia.

Think Zimbabwe.

 

[Jonatello]

The issue is not resources … the issue is control.

Think Somalia.

Think Zimbabwe.

yep! exactly

(oh and not to mention the utterly disgusting and act by some from powerful western nations of dumping toxic and radioactive waste into the waters and shores of Somalia)

 

[Monte_RCMS]

yep! exactly

(oh and not to mention the utterly disgusting and act by some from powerful western nations of dumping toxic and radioactive waste into the waters and shores of Somalia)

got a link for that?

Somalia AND Zimbabwe?

Both of them?

 

[Warrior1979]

The issue is not resources … the issue is control.

Think Somalia.

Think Zimbabwe.

Think Nauru.

 

[Monte_RCMS]

Think Nauru.

Good one.

The place with the guano deposits.

But seriously, they wrecked their own country and it is now s-i-n-k-i-n-g.

Here’s what the CIA says:

Revenues of this tiny island traditionally have come from exports of phosphates. Few other resources exist, with most necessities being imported, mainly from Australia, its former occupier and later major source of support. In 2005 an Australian company entered into an agreement to exploit remaining supplies. Primary reserves of phosphates were exhausted and mining ceased in 2006, but mining of a deeper layer of “secondary phosphate” in the interior of the island began the following year. The secondary phosphate deposits may last another 30 years.

[So, God has given them a reprieve; have they learned anything? Or are they still into crony tribalism?]

The rehabilitation of mined land and the replacement of income from phosphates are serious long-term problems.

In anticipation of the exhaustion of Nauru’s phosphate deposits, substantial amounts of phosphate income were invested in trust funds to help cushion the transition and provide for Nauru’s economic future. As a result of heavy spending from the trust funds, the government faced virtual bankruptcy. To cut costs the government has frozen wages and reduced overstaffed public service departments.

[Nope. Looks like it’s the crony tribalism again.] [Plus crony socialism.]

Nauru lost further revenue in 2008 with the closure of Australia’s refugee processing center, making it almost totally dependent on food imports and foreign aid. Housing, hospitals, and other capital plant are deteriorating. The cost to Australia of keeping the government and economy afloat continues to climb.

Few comprehensive statistics on the Nauru economy exist with estimates of Nauru’s GDP varying widely.

[So, the cronies can’t even keep their stories straight! I mean this place is tiny, for goodness sake; how difficult can it be?]

 

[tbcrawford]

From todays Guardian Newspaper - Andrew Simms

[A rising population is not the problem – growing inequality is

Inequality is at the heart of the problem, whether the split is between the 99% majority and the 1% minority in whose interests the financial system operates, or the 7% representing half the world’s emissions and the rest

A huge range of problems, including over-consumption, become easier to solve in societies that are more equal (inequality drives status competition which in turn fuels consumption). The evidence of the last three decades is that redistribution is far more effective at tackling poverty than waiting for trickle-down from increasingly unequal growth. When the New Economics Foundation modelled the impact on the UK economy of reducing consumption to meet our climate change targets, we found that moving to Danish levels of equality compensated for the impact on GDP.

Which brings us full cycle to the protests in favour of financial reform (employed or not). Andrew Haldane at the Bank of England estimates that the ratio of CEO pay at the biggest seven banks compared to the national median wage in the US was 100:1 in 1989 and rose to 500:1 in 2007.

Reversing such startling polarisation, with active economic policy designed to increase equality at the national and global level, might not solve everything, but if it helps tackle economic stability, population concerns and climate change, that would be a good start .]

 

[Monte_RCMS]

How will everyone being equal help anyone?

The most productive will stop working for the community because working hard and working smart would be pointless and resented and counterproductive.

So, innovation would stop.

You know that people who grow the food would resent being forced to feed the folks who could work and refuse to work.

Take a look at places where some form of forced equality is practiced and see how they all do.

Then take a look at places that enjoy political and economic freedom and see how they all do.

Where would most people prefer to live?

Very few people attempt to escape to Cuba or North Korea.

 

[cho_pilo]

That study lacks any understanding of behaviorial sociology within each social group.

And it assumes that all people everywhere should aspire to one particular standard of social attainment orchestrated over by a governmental body. The study arrogantly presupposes that higher social attainment equates to a greater level of societal happiness.

UNFPA, the United Nations Population Fund, is an international development agency that promotes the right of every woman, man and child to enjoy a life of health and equal opportunity. UNFPA supports countries in using population data for policies and programmes to reduce poverty and to ensure that every pregnancy is wanted, every birth is safe, every young person is free of HIV, and every girl and woman is treated with dignity and respect.

I don’t think it is biased or unreliable or lacks any understanding of behavioral sociology within each social group. It is not protecting any interest but the interest/rights of people to enjoy a life of health and equal opportunity. Again, as I’ve said, some economists disagree with UNFPA but reduction of poverty is not the only goal the RH Bill aims to attain. In fact, as you read the bill, you will never read there that poverty reduction is its legislative policy. Its legislative policy is its recognition of the universal right to reproductive health care, which, as I’ve already mentioned, does not only include access to FPMs. The RH Bill seeks to make reproductive health care services more accessible to the very poor. Let us not be an obstacle to this very good legislative policy…

Poverty does not equal unhappiness. Being rich does not equal happiness. Having available money up to some particualar ratio does not equal happiness.

I agree. But it is hard to measure happiness and, as time goes by, it is fleeting. But reduction of poverty is not the only goal, for example, of the RH Bill aims to attain.

Additionally, no government body can offer social system networks when it continues to kill and contracept its own taxpayers.

Family planning is not equivalent to killing and contracepting taxpayers.

Government employees, government bodies and government systems should not remove, impede or replace social networks that are already in place within agrarian families.

Government established population control mechanisms (abortion, artifical contraception, sterilization programs) break up and break down long established agrarian based families and societies.

Government based systems selfishly need to social engineer the agrarian family networks out of existance through population control (abortion, contraception, sterilization) so that these agrarian societies implode upon themselves and are therefore forced into a manufacturing / employee relationship where additional tax money is structurally available for government use and abuse.

Wut? How are these even relevant? As to your 3rd statement: prove. Is that a conspiracy theory? Hahahaha