Porn & Masturbation

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Timidity:
My wording came straight from the Catechism. So if I have to choose who is right between some random person online and the Catechism, I’ll pick the Catechism everytime.
Unfortunatelly or fortunatelly this random person has plenty of pastoral experience and a lot of psychology to back him up in this issue. As Topher is about to post the conclusion that you are drawing from the catechism is not necessarily correct in that you are calling A B when it is really A.
 
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Timidity:
My wording came straight from the Catechism. So if I have to choose who is right between some random person online and the Catechism, I’ll pick the Catechism everytime.
Yes I would agree that the catechism is more reliable than some guy on line. But you are not. You quote correctly but then you make a fallacious a conclusion. I would agree with the catechism that masterbating is the use of sexual faculties outside of marriage. I always agree with the catechism. The problem is not the quote. The problem is your reasoning. You conlcude that the use of sexual facalties is by definition having sex. But the catechism does not say this. And, as I pointed out, men use their sexual faculties to urinate. But, this does not mean that they are having sex.
 
First of all, when one has a sexual urge, it helps to thank God for this wonderful gift of sexuality. Too often we turn the urges into a negative thing. There’s nothing negative about them. Second, recognizing that this is a gift from God helps you also recognize who is to be the recipient…your spouse. Would you give this gift to another other than the one you join in sacramental marriage? Of course not. Would God want you to give this gift to yourself?

Even before Christ came along, it was considered exemplary to live a chaste life. Anne Catherine Emmerich in her visions of Mary’s ancestors described a people who put a great value on chastity, even for married people.

Now, some guys develop a habit early in life before they even know what sex is all about. As they can become adults, it’s hard to break this habit. In a case like that, the sin would likely be considered veniel. Then, too, often times the act becomes a security measure, especially if the boy comes from a difficult or hightly stressed family life. In a case like that, the act may have very little to do with sexual gratification as it does with self-affirmation. The problem is, as the person becomes an adult and realizes the what sex is for…he may tend to start linking impure fantasies to this act. That would lead to a greater propensity to start including pornography.

For myself, who believes and greatly appreciates the beauty of human sexuality between married couples, it would be a mortal sin.

I think it has to do with your level of conversion. Not that you should use that as an excuse. One should always strive for perfection knowing full well it will never be obtained.
 
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First of all, when one has a sexual urge, it helps to thank God for this wonderful gift of sexuality. Too often we turn the urges into a negative thing. There’s nothing negative about them. Second, recognizing that this is a gift from God helps you also recognize who is to be the recipient…your spouse. Would you give this gift to another other than the one you join in sacramental marriage? Of course not. Would God want you to give this gift to yourself?

Even before Christ came along, it was considered exemplary to live a chaste life. Anne Catherine Emmerich in her visions of Mary’s ancestors described a people who put a great value on chastity, even for married people.

Now, some guys develop a habit early in life before they even know what sex is all about. As they can become adults, it’s hard to break this habit. In a case like that, the sin would likely be considered veniel. Then, too, often times the act becomes a security measure, especially if the boy comes from a difficult or hightly stressed family life. In a case like that, the act may have very little to do with sexual gratification as it does with self-affirmation. The problem is, as the person becomes an adult and realizes the what sex is for…he may tend to start linking impure fantasies to this act. That would lead to a greater propensity to start including pornography.

For myself, who believes and greatly appreciates the beauty of human sexuality between married couples, it would be a mortal sin.

I think it has to do with your level of conversion. Not that you should use that as an excuse. One should always strive for perfection knowing full well it will never be obtained.
Yes, it also has to do with force of habbit. As the Catechism states, “To form an equitable judgment about the subjects’ moral responisbility and to guide pastoral action, one must take into account the affective immaturity, force of aquired habit, conditions of anxiety, or other psychological or socail factors that can lessen, if not even reduce to a minimum, moral culpability.” (CCC 2352)
 
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