Portland parish protests new priest’s policies

  • Thread starter Thread starter Thomasbradley312
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
TheLittleLady said:
Pretty sure the swords went the way of the funny hats with plumes
Click to expand...
Those were OK until July 2019
The new fourth degree uniform still has a sword. It is only worn by Knights serving in an honor guard, though. None of the Knights would wear any of that to a typical Sunday Mass!
(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)
 
Last edited:
I still haven’t gotten used to that new uniform (It is so reminiscent of WW2 era totalitarianism).
 
Oh, I guess our Council just hasn’t had a function that required the regalia since July 1.
 
Phemie said:
Oh, I guess our Council just hasn’t had a function that required the regalia since July 1.
Click to expand...
I’m going to guess that a few are on “oh, we’ll get right on that” mode unless they have an event with the larger organization. It is a big organization, and people are people, and people with uniforms often don’t want to change them.
mrsdizzyd said:
I still haven’t gotten used to that new uniform (It is so reminiscent of WW2 era totalitarianism).
Click to expand...
What totalitarian regime does it bring to mind? It reminds me of the US Army.
(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)
 
Last edited:
You have hit on a point that gets itself muddled by all sides.

There are working poor who can’t afford housing, or find that housing available is out of their reach.

You have the poor who have lost a job, and perhaps all hope, but with a proper program could return to work.

You have the mentally ill, and past history treated all mental hospitals as snake pits… While there were significant problems, the cure has perhaps been far worse than the disease. Treatment which is not available due to overloading, or near availability doesn’t work; further, many of the mentally iil who have no one to require (and you can use the word “force” if you wish") them to take their meds go off meds and into the downward spiral. Side effect of the drugs is often a significant force to push them toward refusing meds, or simply avoiding them.

And then you have the drug addicts. You may want to watch the program “Seattle is Dying” all the way through. The program cites another state which is using the carrot and the stick approach; prison with an option to a drug rehab program.

Some may be horrified at that approach; but this is not an emotional issue; it is a hard-headed one. If the approach we are now using is not getting the results both society (Portland, Seattle, San Francisco, L.A. for a few examples) and the drug addicts need, then we need to repeat the wag’s saying: doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result…

And yes, there are recidivists from the drug program in that other state. For anyone searching for some sort of magic wand to wave, I suggest reading the Harry Potter novels. As in, there aren’t any. But getting some through and clean is better than simply leaving things go until they overdose.

And that is beyond Catholic Charities. I am sure Providence, and Legacy, and Kaiser all have good drug rehab programs, but they are voluntary. I do not suggest getting rid of them; but something has to change.
 
I think the people who are employable (and some are even working but can only afford to live out of their cars) are going to get help first, because it is all too easy to develop addictions and mental illnesses like depression just by living in such a chaotic state. Get them into housing with a rent they can afford, and a high number are going to be productive and self-supporting and stable most of the time and for a long time.

Women who want to get off the streets, who are particularly vulnerable to crime if living unsheltered, and of course children are going to be a high priority.

Men, especially those who are addicted or who have mental illnesses that don’t respond to treatment or that have lead to crime records or who have already have had a chance at treatment that they haven’t complied with for whatever reason, they’re going to be a priority less of the time, because they’re more expensive and less likely to be a “long-term success” story.

St. Francis Dining Hall has long been a very important outreach but in the end getting people into long-term shelter with good contact with the services they need for a stable life is what any of us would want in that situation. And yes, the bar for having someone committed arguably went from too easy to too difficult for many patients’ own good. (Another problem being that what we need can change from one day to the next while the “diagnosis” we are given that governs our contact with governmental bodies tends to be static.)

St. Francis of Assissi parishioners have gained a reputation as a nucleus for people of good will who want to be a human touch in those in these situations. Yes, their parish has also had a reputation as having a very loose grasp on the rubrics–the most common joke probably being that the Franciscans were too poor to afford a book of rubrics–but their main reputation was for a Franciscan concern for the poor and those on the margins. It is very sad that they are getting the spotlight for this unfortunate clash they’re having with their new pastor (who is a recently-ordained diocesan priest, not a Franciscan). In their heart of hearts, I don’t believe they and their pastor are so far apart as this situation would make it seem, because I think they really all do want to be disciples. I do believe that. I hope this calms down and it works out like that in the end.
 
Last edited:
PetraG said:
What totalitarian regime does it bring to mind? It reminds me of the US Army.
Click to expand...
I have no doubt they had the US armed forces in mind. It’s the sashes that make the get up look more European. Italian in particular.
 
Last edited:
I have no comment on the topic itself, but I want to register my disappointment that the word “new” was used, as otherwise (“Portland parish protests priest’s policies”) it would have been perfect alliteration.
 
Just talking to two members and they hate the new uniform. From what I’ve just read a large number of Canadian members were against the change.

It’s very similar to the Canadian Legion uniform.
 
Last edited:
I’ve talked to several K of C and it seems that most of the members in my regular church area don’t like the new uniform and don’t wish to switch.

Most of the time when I see K of C doing anything around my parishes, some of them are in the old one and some are in the new one. Not sure if they’ve cracked down on that yet. The function I attended last weekend with a whole bunch of guys in the new uniform was two counties away from me so perhaps the K of C there has a different mindset.
 
Yes, the remnants of the old uniform don’t seem to sit well with the new uniform. My husband’s council has gone rogue and will not be getting the new regalia.
See – they’re like the SSPX!
It’s Vatican II for the Knights!
 
Tis_Bearself said:
They saw themselves as a “progressive” parish and now they are being made into a traditional parish
Click to expand...
You can google the parish in question and even download homilies.

I have read a couple, and they don’t sound like the words of a hardline traditionalist to me. They sound pretty middle of the road to me and if push comes to shove even slightly to the liberal side of the spectrum, but still firmly with the envelope of realism. If that is too hardline and un-progressive for these people, they must have been way off whack until now.
 
Unfortunately, these people think it’s “traditionalist” that they are being asked to do things like kneel rather than stand for eucharistic prayers. They think it’s “traditionalist” that their “community prayer” was removed from being said after the Profession of Faith, which is totally the wrong place for saying an extra prayer. They probably think it’s “traditionalist” that the MLK banner was taken out of the sanctuary. I agree with you that these folks are very “out there” and that they are not being asked to do anything unreasonable or super-traditional, but they dont see it that way.
 
Twenty-four hours to go. Well, twenty-nine. Won’t be long now. We’ll soon find out how it went.
 
PetraG said:
The new fourth degree uniform still has a sword. It is only worn by Knights serving in an honor guard, though. None of the Knights would wear any of that to a typical Sunday Mass!
Click to expand...
Except for the ones with a “sword concealed carry” permit, I guess… 🤣
PetraG said:
Yes, their parish has also had a reputation as having a very loose grasp on the rubrics
Click to expand...
If they’re carrying out a disruptive protest in church during the middle of Mass, then I think I’d say they’ve gone a bit beyond “loose grasp of rubrics”… 🤔
 
I don’t know about your state, but mine only issues concealed weapons permits for firearms. All other weapons must be carried openly.
(I was very surprised when I learned that!)
 
It’s a piece of trivia that still amazes me.
You can’t walk around with brass knuckles in your pocket or a sap in your purse. If you want to carry around a concealed weapon of self defense it has to be a gun.
Who knew?
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top