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RNRobert
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Hardly. He was a disciple of the Apostle John and was martyred around AD 107. The Arian heresy didn’t start until the 4th century. Besides, I do not think the church ever canonized any Arians.
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Shibboleth
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Could someone help me out on this… there were three Bishops that had the same name that were major players during the Arian Heresy, does anyone know what there names were. I thought that it was Ignatius.
As far as what day to celebrate God on, I care little. The whole point of my post was to show that the Bible has been quite clear on whether or not the old laws should still be attached to the Sabbath. The answer to that question is, “no.” A person can work, light candles, etc. and not be sinning.
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ahimsaman72
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Church Militant:
Matthew 28
Obviously, the coming of Christ and the opening up of the way for the Gentiles was a special event. So, we have to remember that Jews who came to believe in Jesus Christ did not automatically begin to worship on Sunday as their sabbath (if they ever did to begin with). There still is no evidence that the seventh-day sabbath was changed to the first day sabbath.
There are a few verses you could use to support it, but the evidence is not sufficient considering the enormity of the issue. Jews would not be ready to change their thousands of years + adherence to the seventh day sabbath within a generation.
They clearly met every day of the week, not just on the first day. They held all things in common - including sharing meals. This does not prove changing of the sabbath.
Christians did not cease keeping the Saturday Sabbath and Jews have never ceased to be Jews.
Matthew 28
- In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
Obviously, the coming of Christ and the opening up of the way for the Gentiles was a special event. So, we have to remember that Jews who came to believe in Jesus Christ did not automatically begin to worship on Sunday as their sabbath (if they ever did to begin with). There still is no evidence that the seventh-day sabbath was changed to the first day sabbath.
There are a few verses you could use to support it, but the evidence is not sufficient considering the enormity of the issue. Jews would not be ready to change their thousands of years + adherence to the seventh day sabbath within a generation.
They clearly met every day of the week, not just on the first day. They held all things in common - including sharing meals. This does not prove changing of the sabbath.
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BJ_Colbert
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In my husband’s parish they have Church carnivals and last week they had a Casino day. They have booths set up in the parking lot and everyone goes out after Mass and takes part in these activities on the Sabbath.
I was shocked and equated it to when Jesus drove the money changers out of the Temple. After reading these posts I understand better what Catholics believe about the Sabbath. Basically what I understand now is that some are traditional and do keep the Sabbath day holy, but some believe it is no longer a commandment and was eliminated in the NT.
Thank you for your clarification about the Sabbath and keeping it or not keeping it holy.
As LDS we are encouraged to visit friends, family and the sick, read, do genealogy,study the scriptures, take a nap. Prepare easy meals or do the preparation the day before. Attend our meetings at church, which take up about 4 hours of the day.
It is much easier to be a Catholic, but I really feel the need to devote at least one day a week to the Lord. We feel since He gives us all of the other days to do as we wish and to work, it is only right to give him honor on one day. It is not easy to keep the Sabbath day Holy, and I do not always do it, but the fact that I try, Is a good thing. It will take me a lifetime of trying to become more like Christ, and I will never accomplish it, because there is only one perfect man and that is Jesus Christ Himself.
I was shocked and equated it to when Jesus drove the money changers out of the Temple. After reading these posts I understand better what Catholics believe about the Sabbath. Basically what I understand now is that some are traditional and do keep the Sabbath day holy, but some believe it is no longer a commandment and was eliminated in the NT.
Thank you for your clarification about the Sabbath and keeping it or not keeping it holy.
As LDS we are encouraged to visit friends, family and the sick, read, do genealogy,study the scriptures, take a nap. Prepare easy meals or do the preparation the day before. Attend our meetings at church, which take up about 4 hours of the day.
It is much easier to be a Catholic, but I really feel the need to devote at least one day a week to the Lord. We feel since He gives us all of the other days to do as we wish and to work, it is only right to give him honor on one day. It is not easy to keep the Sabbath day Holy, and I do not always do it, but the fact that I try, Is a good thing. It will take me a lifetime of trying to become more like Christ, and I will never accomplish it, because there is only one perfect man and that is Jesus Christ Himself.
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Katholikos
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The answer: Eusebius, though I know of only two:
Eusebius of Caesaria (d. 339)
Eusebius of Nicomedia (d. 342 AD)
Perhaps the third bishop you’re thinking of is Athanasius?
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Katholikos
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Ignatius was bishop of Antioch, succeeding St. Peter as bishop there when Sts. Peter and Paul left for Rome. He was a student of St. John the Apostle, ordained by St. Peter, and good friends with St. Paul. He wrote his famous seven letters to the Churches from 107 - 110 A.D – which give us so much knowledge about the beliefs and practices of the earliest Church – while being taken under Roman guard to the Coliseum where he was fed to the lions for refusing to sacrifice to the Emperor. He was martyred in 110 A.D., about 10 or 15 years after the death of the last Apostle (St. John). Arianism was a fourth century heresy.
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RNRobert
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I think St Nicholas of Myra(of Santa Claus fame) was also at the Council of Nicea, where he condemned Arianism. According to one story I read, at one point during the council he got so upset he slugged an Arian bishop!The answer: Eusebius, though I know of only two:
Eusebius of Caesaria (d. 339)
Eusebius of Nicomedia (d. 342 AD)
Perhaps the third bishop you’re thinking of is Athanasius?
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