Positive Aspects of Atheism?

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They were also all non-black people as well. So we should treate all non-blacks as we would atheists. It’s their non-blackness that could have been the cause. They all had a head of hair too… ooo this is getting scary now. They all had positions of political power. Wore shoes, had families. Where do the similarities end? Wait there was an atheist manefesto, its secretly passed down through the ages from one dictator to another, a how to book on what to do as an atheist. Telling them who to hate for no other reason than those people were born, that their enemies would spend eternity in nonexistance, that they would build the promise land, that they were the savior for their oppressed people…no wait that book doesn’t exist. Does for other world views though.
“The atheists are for the most part impudent and misguided scholars who reason badly, and who not being able to understand the creation, the origin of evil, and other difficulties, have recourse to the hypothesis of the eternity of things and of inevitability….That was how things went with the Roman Senate which was almost entirely composed of atheists in theory and in practice, that is to say, who believed in neither a Providence nor a future life; this senate was an assembly of philosophers, of sensualists and ambitious men, all very dangerous men, who ruined the republic." (from Voltaire’s essay “On Atheism”).
 
“The atheists are for the most part impudent and misguided scholars who reason badly, and who not being able to understand the creation, the origin of evil, and other difficulties, have recourse to the hypothesis of the eternity of things and of inevitability….That was how things went with the Roman Senate which was almost entirely composed of atheists in theory and in practice, that is to say, who believed in neither a Providence nor a future life; this senate was an assembly of philosophers, of sensualists and ambitious men, all very dangerous men, who ruined the republic." (from Voltaire’s essay “On Atheism”).
Replace “atheists” with any other adjective that commonly described these people and the conclusion still makes since because again, and last time I’ll spell this out, “atheist” is a conclusion on one question. They are not convinced that the supernatural exists. It is not a world view to create any form of filter on how to live one’s life. There are numerous world views that can lead to this conclusion. Those world views are what I believe you have an issue with, not the result of their conclusion about supernaturalism that you label as atheism. This is conversation is the exact example as why it’s not worth talking with people like you. I’ll appeal to the fair mindedness of the readers here to see if this is conversation is just a waste of time with people of your mindset. If you keep not listening to the side for what is being communicated here, then I feel sorry for anyone in your world that is important to you because you seem to care more about what you think than what they are trying to tell you how they see the world. That’s just social ignorance. Cut it out. I’d like to think you’d have grown out of that Tom Foolery by now. You will always “feel right” because you are still applying your definition to the word instead of what people are telling you as their definition of the word. This situation is where both people are “right” and its a pain to continue because it’s just an endless pointless conversation.
 
“The atheists are for the most part impudent and misguided scholars who reason badly, and who not being able to understand the creation, the origin of evil, and other difficulties, have recourse to the hypothesis of the eternity of things and of inevitability….That was how things went with the Roman Senate which was almost entirely composed of atheists in theory and in practice, that is to say, who believed in neither a Providence nor a future life; this senate was an assembly of philosophers, of sensualists and ambitious men, all very dangerous men, who ruined the republic." (from Voltaire’s essay “On Atheism”).
Then his comments on atheism were mild compared to his rabid racist, antisemitic, and anti-Christian diatribes.

Voltaire on Christianity:

“Every sensible man, every honorable man, must hold the Christian sect in horror.”

“Our [religion] is assuredly the most ridiculous, the most absurd and the most bloody religion which has ever infected this world. Your Majesty will do the human race an eternal service by extirpating this infamous superstition, I do not say among the rabble, who are not worthy of being enlightened and who are apt for every yoke; I say among honest people, among men who think, among those who wish to think.”

Voltaire on Jews:

“The Jewish nation dares to display an irreconcilable hatred toward all nations, and revolts against all masters; always superstitious, always greedy for the well-being enjoyed by others, always barbarous — cringing in misfortune and insolent in prosperity.”

“All of the other people have committed crimes, the Jews are the only ones who have boasted about committing them. They are, all of them, born with raging fanaticism in their hearts, just as the Bretons and the Germans are born with blond hair. I would not be in the least bit surprised if these people would not some day become deadly to the human race.”

Voltaire on Africans:

“It is a serious question among them [biblical monogenists] whether the Africans are descended from monkeys or whether the monkeys come from them. Our wise men have said that man was created in the image of God. Now here is a lovely image of the Divine Maker: a flat and black nose with little or hardly any intelligence.”

“The Negro race is a species of men different from ours as the breed of spaniels is from that of greyhounds.”.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltaire
en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Voltaire
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism

“In his own way, Voltaire was a bigot, an intolerant bigot” - Henry Gibbon
 
Modern vindication of Voltaire on the social and political effects of atheism.

Hitler

“The religions are all alike, no matter what they call themselves. They have no future – certainly none for the Germans. Fascism, if it likes, may come to terms with the Church. So shall I. Why not? That will not prevent me from tearing up Christianity root and branch and annihilating it in Germany.”

Stalin

“We guarantee the right of every citizen to combat by argument, propaganda, and agitation all religion. The Communist Party cannot be neutral toward religion. It stands for science, and all religion is opposed to science.”

Mao
“Religion is poison.”

Marquis de Sade, Expert philosopher and advocate of cruelty

“There is no God, Nature sufficeth unto herself; in no wise hath she need of an author.”
 
Still waiting for some positive effects of atheism, whether individual or social. 🤷
 
Modern vindication of Voltaire on the social and political effects of atheism.

Hitler
Vindication?

'During his career, and for a variety of reasons, Hitler made various comments against “atheistic” movements. He associated atheism with Bolshevism, Communism, and Jewish materialism. In 1933, the regime banned most atheistic and freethinking groups in Germany—other than those that supported the Nazis.

In early 1933, Hitler publicly defended National Socialism against charges that it was anti-Christian. Responding to accusations by Eugen Bolz, the Catholic Centre Party Staatspräsident of Württemberg, that the National Socialist movement threatened the Christian faith, he said:

“And now Staatspräsident Bolz says that Christianity and the Catholic faith are threatened by us. And to that charge I can answer: In the first place it is Christians and not international atheists who now stand at the head of Germany. I do not merely talk of Christianity, no, I also profess that I will never ally myself with the parties which destroy Christianity.”

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

Hitler also said:

“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.”

“The völkisch-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God’s will, and actually fulfill God’s will, and not let God’s word be desecrated. For God’s will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord’s creation, the divine will.”

I think all you prove with those quotes, Charles, is that you can’t force human beings into cartoon hero and villain stereotypes.
 
Thomas Jefferson

"The argument which they (atheists) rest on as triumphant and unanswerable is that, in every hypothesis of cosmogony, you must admit an eternal pre-existence of something; and according to the rule of sound philosophy, you are never to employ two principles to solve a difficulty when one will suffice. They say, then, that it is more simple to believe at once in the eternal pre-existence of the world, as it is now going on, and may forever go on by the principle of reproduction which we see and witness, than to believe in the eternal pre-existence of an ulterior cause, or creator of the world, a being whom we see not, and know not, of whose form substance and mode or place of existence, or of action no sense informs us, no power of the mind enables us to delineate or comprehend. On the contrary, I hold (without appeal to revelation) that when we take a view of the Universe in its parts general or particular, it is impossible for the human mind not to perceive and feel a conviction of design, consummate skill, and infinite power in every atom of its composition. The movements of the heavenly bodies, so exactly held in their course by the balance centrifugal and centripetal forces, the structure of our earth itself, with its distribution of lands, waters, and atmosphere, animal and vegetable bodies, examined in all their minutest particles, insects mere atoms of life, yet as perfectly organized as man or mammoth, the mineral substances, the generation and uses, it is impossible, I say, for the human mind not to believe that there is, in all this, design, cause and effect, up to an ultimate cause, a fabricator of all things from matter and motion, their preserver and regulator while permitted to exist in their present forms, and their regenerator into new and other forms. We see too, evident proofs of the necessity of a superintending power to maintain the Universe in its course and order. Stars, well known, have disappeared, new ones have come into view, comets, in their incalculable courses, may run foul of suns and planets and require renovation under other laws; certain races of animals are become extinct; and, were there no restoring power, all existences might extinguish successively, one by one, until all should be reduced to a shapeless chaos. So irresistible are these evidences of an intelligent and powerful Agent that, of the infinite members of man who have existed through all time, they have believed in the proportion of a million at least to Unit, in the hypothesis of an eternal pre-existence of a creator, rather than in that of a self-existent Universe. Surely this unanimous sentiment renders this more probable than that of the few in the other hypothesis.”
 
STOP stalking me and baiting me with your silly remarks!
What a strange thing to say. I’ve been on this thread since November.

The quote you posted is a classic argumentum ad populum fallacy, and the Elvis line was from the article I cited.

Yesterday you quoted Voltaire as if his opinion can be trusted, and I did too to show otherwise. You quoted Hitler as if he was an atheist, and I did too to show otherwise.

That’s not baiting, that’s answering your posts. If you don’t want to get comments then make yourself a website where you can broadcast to the world. But if you post on a forum, you must expect other posters to debate you.

And I’m debating whether it is ever morally good to treat human beings as stereotypes. If you genuinely think that’s baiting then report me, and let the mod decide whether instead you’re trying to bully me into silence. Meanwhile calm down Charles, you’ll do yourself a mischief :).
 
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