Possible NFP Epiphany

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So late last night I was lying in bed thinking, and something struck me. I would like to say that up until this point, I had mixed feelings about NFP. Since I trusted the Church, I accepted that NFP was permissible for a married couple to use, but just didn’t understand why. What made it so different from contraception? I had read tons of threads about the question, and somehow none of the answers really hit home. Again, for the record, I totally understand why contraception is evil. I just couldn’t see how NFP was so very different, aside from using nothing artificial.

The answer is two-fold: The act, and that crucial element in all of Christian theology: the intent.

Now, a big realization for me is that the phrase rolling off of every tongue around here “open to life” does not really talk about the consequences, but the performance of the conjugal act. I was amazed to realize that “open to life” doesn’t even have to mean “chance of conception”! :eek: It means that the nature of the sex act is objectively ordered towards procreation. If a husband finishes inside of his wife’s miracle parts, and neither spouse has taken or will take any measure to prevent conception then theoretically, there is nothing prohibiting it. Now, the things that would still prevent conception are an existing pregnancy, the wife being in the infertile part of her cycle, or if one or both partners are sterile. However, neither partner willfully introduced the infertility to the act - it is there naturally, and, one could argue, designed by God. In the case of the existing pregnancy, they have already proved their openness to life! 🙂 The reason people who are sterile may validly marry and engage in marital relations is because they can still engage in sex as it would be done to conceive, even if conception does not occur. Now it doesn’t count if you engage in proper sex and then, say, take a pill to prevent conception, because you are willfully introducing infertility to the act. So long as the partners do not disorder the act either physically or through chemicals, there is no problem.

The other and possibly even bigger aspect is the intent of the couple. It’s sad and very telling of the times, but what came as a realization of sorts to me is the fact that married couples are supposed to want kids! Who’d have thunk, right? :rolleyes: The reason a couple would use NFP is to make the best situation for a child to be born in. If they truly cannot supply the funds, time, energy, etc. to properly raise a child then one could argue it would be irresponsible to have one. But this should be seen as waiting until they can support a child, not just ending their ‘birthing career.’ The couple should have as many children as they can manage - but ‘as they can manage’ doesn’t mean living in an old shack with 10 kids running around in rags. So, why are couples allowed to have sex even when they intend not to conceive? Because, like said before, there is nothing making the act unnatural, unless one wants to argue a woman’s infertile times are unnatural. The Church has made it clear that it is licit to have sex on infertile days.

The couple should desire to have as many kids as they can. This is what I think the Church should teach. We’re told by the world that children are such a burden and a nuisance, so why would anyone want to have them? We need to be educated about the joys of raising children and their inherent beauty and dignity. Heck, that could even help prevent abortions. We need to be taught about the gift of parenthood.

Hopefully these insights can help some of you, because by the sheer number of threads about it I know there are lots of you struggling to wrap your heads around it, like I was. I think the real issue is unlearning the sex-abusing, child-hating mentalities that have been so deeply ingrained in us by society and embracing the loving wisdom of the Church.

Pax!
 
However, neither partner willfully introduced the infertility to the act - it is there naturally, and, one could argue, designed by God.

I enjoyed reading your insight on this and it helps me too, hearing your understanding of this -
 
Congrats on getting things figured out or at least making some progress on seeing the difference between NFP and contraception 😃 I think of NFP as determining when not to have sex, instead of being used to determine when to have sex. Using NFP is not an action, but rather the absence of action. Contraception on the other hand is a direct action committed to prevent conception. When someone is able to see why this difference is important, is when they come to understand why NFP is morally acceptable and contraception is not. Some people are fortunate and are able to see and recognize the difference without personal experience, while others have to see the effects of contraception use first hand before they understand it.

I’d also think of contraception in terms of how easy it makes it for a man to lust after his wife. It would similar to a single guy saying he wants to be chaste and not lust, before walking into a brothel. Is it possible? Maybe, but its highly unlikely and would require a saintly ability to see women as God intended before original sin.
 
So late last night I was lying in bed thinking, and something struck me. I would like to say that up until this point, I had mixed feelings about NFP. Since I trusted the Church, I accepted that NFP was permissible for a married couple to use, but just didn’t understand why. What made it so different from contraception? I had read tons of threads about the question, and somehow none of the answers really hit home. Again, for the record, I totally understand why contraception is evil. I just couldn’t see how NFP was so very different, aside from using nothing artificial.

The answer is two-fold: The act, and that crucial element in all of Christian theology: the intent.

Now, a big realization for me is that the phrase rolling off of every tongue around here “open to life” does not really talk about the consequences, but the performance of the conjugal act. I was amazed to realize that “open to life” doesn’t even have to mean “chance of conception”! :eek: It means that the nature of the sex act is objectively ordered towards procreation. If a husband finishes inside of his wife’s miracle parts, and neither spouse has taken or will take any measure to prevent conception then theoretically, there is nothing prohibiting it. Now, the things that would still prevent conception are an existing pregnancy, the wife being in the infertile part of her cycle, or if one or both partners are sterile. However, neither partner willfully introduced the infertility to the act - it is there naturally, and, one could argue, designed by God. In the case of the existing pregnancy, they have already proved their openness to life! 🙂 The reason people who are sterile may validly marry and engage in marital relations is because they can still engage in sex as it would be done to conceive, even if conception does not occur. Now it doesn’t count if you engage in proper sex and then, say, take a pill to prevent conception, because you are willfully introducing infertility to the act. So long as the partners do not disorder the act either physically or through chemicals, there is no problem.

The other and possibly even bigger aspect is the intent of the couple. It’s sad and very telling of the times, but what came as a realization of sorts to me is the fact that married couples are supposed to want kids! Who’d have thunk, right? :rolleyes: The reason a couple would use NFP is to make the best situation for a child to be born in. If they truly cannot supply the funds, time, energy, etc. to properly raise a child then one could argue it would be irresponsible to have one. But this should be seen as waiting until they can support a child, not just ending their ‘birthing career.’ The couple should have as many children as they can manage - but ‘as they can manage’ doesn’t mean living in an old shack with 10 kids running around in rags. So, why are couples allowed to have sex even when they intend not to conceive? Because, like said before, there is nothing making the act unnatural, unless one wants to argue a woman’s infertile times are unnatural. The Church has made it clear that it is licit to have sex on infertile days.

The couple should desire to have as many kids as they can. This is what I think the Church should teach. We’re told by the world that children are such a burden and a nuisance, so why would anyone want to have them? We need to be educated about the joys of raising children and their inherent beauty and dignity. Heck, that could even help prevent abortions. We need to be taught about the gift of parenthood.

Hopefully these insights can help some of you, because by the sheer number of threads about it I know there are lots of you struggling to wrap your heads around it, like I was. I think the real issue is unlearning the sex-abusing, child-hating mentalities that have been so deeply ingrained in us by society and embracing the loving wisdom of the Church.

Pax!
Yep, pretty much.

As I said in another post, what natural law is concerned with is not the outcome of an act (that’s consequentialism) but whether or not the act occurs in a manner consistent with its end. The end of the sexual act is procreation (and we know this because that’s the purpose the emission of semen serves and because the sexual act necessarily concludes with the emission of semen); therefore any sexual act which is consistent with the end of procreation (i.e., which concludes with the emission of semen into the vagina) is morally licit, even if conception does not or cannot result.
 
I agree, this was my realization as well. It’s very beautiful that God gave us such an option. 🙂
 
This “objectively” open to life vs subjectively stuff seems like word games to me.

Knowingly having sex when a woman is not menstruating seems very objectively not “open to life,” because you cannot create life in these circumstances. Unless word games are being played with “open to life” that are way over my head.

If a couple doesn’t have the time, energy, bla bla bla to raise a kid and therefore uses “NFP” to have sex when a woman can’t get pregnant, it seems like they are justifying their sex out of a seeming care for the child that doesn’t even exist yet, when if they wanted to be truly true to the Catholic way, they should just not have sex at all. (< statement based off of uninformed, outsider perception, don’t be mad, bro)
 
This “objectively” open to life vs subjectively stuff seems like word games to me.
You just haven’t had your epiphany! 😉

And you didn’t get the verbage right. Refraining from taking positive actions that frustrate conception retains God’s intention for human sexuality to be “ordered towards” making babies. Non-catholics generally assume NFP to work very poorly since we generally have more than the “socially acceptable” 1-2 kids. But get to know some and you will be amazed how many of those families had kids 3, 4 and beyond KNOWING that those days could be fertile. NFP inherently nudges you back towards considering parenthood. Contraception fundamentally changes sex into something narcicisstic.
 
This “objectively” open to life vs subjectively stuff seems like word games to me.

Knowingly having sex when a woman is not menstruating seems very objectively not “open to life,” because you cannot create life in these circumstances. Unless word games are being played with “open to life” that are way over my head.

If a couple doesn’t have the time, energy, bla bla bla to raise a kid and therefore uses “NFP” to have sex when a woman can’t get pregnant, it seems like they are justifying their sex out of a seeming care for the child that doesn’t even exist yet, when if they wanted to be truly true to the Catholic way, they should just not have sex at all. (< statement based off of uninformed, outsider perception, don’t be mad, bro)
Lolraichu,

If it helps, the idea of the sexual act being “open to life” really is a sort of word game (not *really *a “game”, just a heuristic for understanding the much more complex natural law position). Again, from a natural law standpoint, morality consists in using one’s faculties in a manner consistent with their respective ends.

The end of the sexual act is procreation.

Therefore, sexual morality demands that we have sex in a manner consistent with the end of procreation. That means intravaginal ejaculation. It doesn’t matter whether or not the end is actually realized, only that the faculty is used in a manner that is consistent with that end (and not contrary to it).
 
@Lolraichu
Here is a good explanation of how this doctrine developed.
catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0502fea2.asp

From this link you see that past pope’s saw a distinction between Onanism (the sin of Onan) and NFP. Onan tried to deliberately frustrate the act, while NFP does absolutely nothing to inhibit the act. Both contraception and NFP are used to prevent kids, but only contraception attempts to hinder the act itself, which was the sin of Onan.
 
If a couple…therefore uses “NFP” to have sex when a woman can’t get pregnant, it seems like they are justifying their sex…when if they wanted to be truly true to the Catholic way, they should just not have sex at all. (< statement based off of uninformed, outsider perception, don’t be mad, bro)
@Equites Christi: Very insightful! Thanks for sharing. 🙂

Ditto on all the above, and the article that Nate13 posted is an excellent explanation.

@ lolraichu: NFP is not just having sex when the wife can’t get preganant…it’s avoiding sex, just as you have suggested is “the Catholic way” (“not have sex at all”). That is where many people confuse NFP with contraception or a disordered act. The Church is clear that couples can have sex on days that might not lead to conception (sex also has a unitive aspect in conjuntion with the procreative aspect). Couples who use NFP do exactly what you have suggested; they avoid sex on the most fertile days; no act is contracepted or thwarted because an act is not taking place. On the days an act DOES take place, it is performed with the totality of the spouses present, fully open to conception by not putting any barrier or other disordered act (name removed by moderator)lace. All the posts in this thread so far are excellent explanations of that.

ahs
 
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