Post-menopausal sex, is it accepatable?

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My understanding of the Catholic Church’s view on sex is the ultimate expression of love, but only if you are open to conception. After menopause, is it acceptable to participate in sexual activity if conception is impossible?
 
Of Course its accepatable 🙂

I think the key is while your no longer fertile you haven’t actively done anything to render your self that way. So you are still open to life.
 
It’s fine and most likely a huge relief! that God creator of the furtile and infertile times gives a time for a couple to have sex (without any concern about being open to children anymore because its not in their control anymore) at a time when they are so much closer to being with him in heaven anyway.
 
So if I end up getting married after I am 50 to a woman who is postmenopausal we can still have sex?
 
Remember how Abram’s wife Sarai was described in Genesis: “It had ceased to be with her after the manner of women.” Clearly the patriarch was having sex (and I certainly hope enjoying it) with a post-menopausal wife.
Just a note here on the implications left unvoiced by the standard teaching of the church regarding sex in matrimony. Note that sex is necessary to the sacramentality of marriage since you have not completed the matrimonial ritual until you have had sex. Non-consummation is de facto grounds for granting an annullment. No sex, no sacrament. You do not have to have children for the church to conclude that you are validly and sacramentally married. Sex is part of matrimony but procreation is not.

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drafdog said:
Remember how Abram’s wife Sarai was described in Genesis: “It had ceased to be with her after the manner of women.” Clearly the patriarch was having sex (and I certainly hope enjoying it) with a post-menopausal wife.
Just a note here on the implications left unvoiced by the standard teaching of the church regarding sex in matrimony. Note that sex is necessary to the sacramentality of marriage since you have not completed the matrimonial ritual until you have had sex. Non-consummation is de facto grounds for granting an annullment. No sex, no sacrament. You do not have to have children for the church to conclude that you are validly and sacramentally married. Sex is part of matrimony but procreation is not.

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What if two people, man and woman that is want to get married to adopt? If there never any biological children because no sex takes place they are still married. I fail to see how sex is a requirement for marriage. If one refuses yes there is ground for annulment but if it is by mutual agreement what problem is there?
 
Drunken_Master said:
My understanding of the Catholic Church’s view on sex is the ultimate expression of love, but only if you are open to conception. After menopause, is it acceptable to participate in sexual activity if conception is impossible?
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Of course you can. NEVER limit God. Remeber two other post menopausal wowne-Sarah and Elizabeth
 
goofyjim said:
What if two people, man and woman that is want to get married to adopt? If there never any biological children because no sex takes place they are still married. I fail to see how sex is a requirement for marriage. If one refuses yes there is ground for annulment but if it is by mutual agreement what problem is there?
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That’s an interesting train of thought. I know I’ve heard of Saints after their kids were grown living as “brother and sister”. But, then again whats the purpose of getting married if your not going to consummate it? You don’t have to be married to adopt.
 
LJN21 said:
That’s an interesting train of thought. I know I’ve heard of Saints after their kids were grown living as “brother and sister”. But, then again whats the purpose of getting married if your not going to consummate it? You don’t have to be married to adopt.
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It is much more family friendly to have both a mother and a father to adopt a child. In fact I always thought that was the court’s requirements.
 
drafdog said:
Remember how Abram’s wife Sarai was described in Genesis: “It had ceased to be with her after the manner of women.” Clearly the patriarch was having sex (and I certainly hope enjoying it) with a post-menopausal wife.
Just a note here on the implications left unvoiced by the standard teaching of the church regarding sex in matrimony. Note that sex is necessary to the sacramentality of marriage since you have not completed the matrimonial ritual until you have had sex. Non-consummation is de facto grounds for granting an annullment. No sex, no sacrament. You do not have to have children for the church to conclude that you are validly and sacramentally married. Sex is part of matrimony but procreation is not.

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Not exactly true. Mary and Joseph were considered to be validly married by the church and the church teaches that they never had sex.
 
Polaris said:
Not exactly true. Mary and Joseph were considered to be validly married by the church and the church teaches that they never had sex.
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Yeah I thought of that, but I’d be willing to chalk that one up to being the exception to the rule since about everything else in Marys life was 😉

Besides Mary couldn’t have not be married. The scandal would have been to much, the would have stoned her. As it was Joseph talked about divorcing her. Also remember that all of this happened before Marriage was elevated to a sacrament.
 
LJN21 said:
Yeah I thought of that, but I’d be willing to chalk that one up to being the exception to the rule since about everything else in Marys life was 😉

Besides Mary couldn’t have not be married. The scandal would have been to much, the would have stoned her. As it was Joseph talked about divorcing her. Also remember that all of this happened before Marriage was elevated to a sacrament.
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Are we talking about before the scholastic period because I was never quite sure what marriage was before that period to because it wasnt considered a sacrament by the church because it did not confer grace.
 
drafdog said:
Remember how Abram’s wife Sarai was described in Genesis: “It had ceased to be with her after the manner of women.” Clearly the patriarch was having sex (and I certainly hope enjoying it) with a post-menopausal wife.
Just a note here on the implications left unvoiced by the standard teaching of the church regarding sex in matrimony. Note that sex is necessary to the sacramentality of marriage since you have not completed the matrimonial ritual until you have had sex. Non-consummation is de facto grounds for granting an annullment. No sex, no sacrament. You do not have to have children for the church to conclude that you are validly and sacramentally married. Sex is part of matrimony but procreation is not.

Matthew
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The bolded section is not entirely correct. There is an important consideration. If both the peospective husband and prospective wife willingly agree before the marriage to be celebate within the marriage, then the marriage can be considered sacramental. There are certain important restrictions on this. For example it cannot be a marriage of convenience and the celebacy must be for the kingdom of God. However, this is not the normal situation.
 
rpp said:
The bolded section is not entirely correct. There is an important consideration. If both the peospective husband and prospective wife willingly agree before the marriage to be celebate within the marriage, then the marriage can be considered sacramental. There are certain important restrictions on this. For example it cannot be a marriage of convenience and the celebacy must be for the kingdom of God. However, this is not the normal situation.
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Besides if sex were required then the impotent would be forbidden to marry even for companionship. Doesn’t sound fair.
 
goofyjim said:
Besides if sex were required then the impotent would be forbidden to marry even for companionship. Doesn’t sound fair.
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I could be wrong, but I think I read somewhere that the impotent are not allowed to be married…:o
 
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