Post pictures of your favorite Eastern Catholic Vestments

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This is one of my favorite pictures/vestments:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e6/Al_Quds_Patriarch.jpg

Armenian Catholic bishops meeting in Jerusalem, circa 1880 (note the Roman pallium worn by the archbishop in the centre).
The hierarch in the center is His Beatitude Stepan Bedros (Stephen Peter) X Azarian, Patriarch & Catholicos of Cilicia of the Armenias for All the Armenian Catholics, of blessed memory. It’s likely that this photo was taken around the time of his election in 1881. The vestment in question is a stole, called an emiphoron, and is worn over the chasuble. (The hierarch to his right looks to be Boghos Bedros XI Emmanuelian, of blessed memory, who would succeed him as Catholicos in 1899.)

“Le grande mitre” common to Armenian hierachs (both Apostolic and Catholic), is Latinate in style and rarely outdone for height. Its usage dates to the 12th century when a Pope gifted one to the then-reigning Catholicos, during a period of tenuous union between the Churches.

Some nice examples of Armenian vestments:

presbyteral headgear

presbyteral vesture

more priest’s vestments

diaconal vestments


SF,

I’m curious as to where you found the above photo on-line?

Many years,

Neil
 
The hierarch in the center is His Beatitude Stepan Bedros (Stephen Peter) X Azarian, Patriarch & Catholicos of Cilicia of the Armenias for All the Armenian Catholics, of blessed memory. It’s likely that this photo was taken around the time of his election in 1881. The vestment in question is a stole, called an emiphoron, and is worn over the chasuble. (The hierarch to his right looks to be Boghos Bedros XI Emmanuelian, of blessed memory, who would succeed him as Catholicos in 1899.)

“Le grande mitre” common to Armenian hierachs (both Apostolic and Catholic), is Latinate in style and rarely outdone for height. Its usage dates to the 12th century when a Pope gifted one to the then-reigning Catholicos, during a period of tenuous union between the Churches.

Some nice examples of Armenian vestments:

presbyteral headgear

presbyteral vesture

more priest’s vestments

diaconal vestments


SF,

I’m curious as to where you found the above photo on-line?

Many years,

Neil
Hello Neil,

First of all I want to thank you for answering some of the questions that I had in my mind (Why do the Armenians wear the mitre?).

Second, I found the picture in Wikipedia.com (surprise!). Here’s the link to the article on the Armenian Catholic Church and the picture: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Catholic_Church

Finally, may God bless you! 🙂
 
First of all I want to thank you for answering some of the questions that I had in my mind (Why do the Armenians wear the mitre?).
SF,

Glad to have been of assistance 👍 Was that the only question?

The latinate mitre reportedly only came into regular use about the 10th century and probably was originally reserved to the popes; the gift of it, accompanied by the implicit right to its use, was likely considered a signal honor.

The Armenians entered into some degree of union with Rome about 1180 or so (it lasted, off and on, for about 300 years, IIRC). Sources vary as to by which Pope (and, accordingly, when) the latinate mitre was gifted to the Catholicos. The Armenian Apostolic Church itself (as well as other authority) credits Pope Lucius III as gifting it. together with a crosier and patriarchal vestments, to Catholicos Grigor IV Tigha in 1184.

That makes sense to me, as a gesture of acknowledging and cementing the relationship. (Other sources cite Pope Innocent III, but there was no compelling event for him to have done so.)

The mitre and latinate crosier were both adopted and continue in use by hierarchs of both the Apostolic and Catholic Churches to this day. The prior usage had been similar to that of Byzantium (from which the Armenian liturgical usage, etc had originated, before their theological separation and geographic isolation resulted in development of their unique ritual praxis).

Subsequently, the Byzantine style headgear (see the example linked in my earlier post) and staff, abandoned by the bishops, devolved to the use of the two uppermost ranks of Vartabads, prelature dignities akin to those of Mitred Archpriests and Archimandrites in Churches of Byzantine origin and of Chorepiscopi and Periodeuts in those of Antiochene origin.

Many years,

Neil
 
SF,

Glad to have been of assistance 👍 Was that the only question?

The latinate mitre reportedly only came into regular use about the 10th century and probably was originally reserved to the popes; the gift of it, accompanied by the implicit right to its use, was likely considered a signal honor.

The Armenians entered into some degree of union with Rome about 1180 or so (it lasted, off and on, for about 300 years, IIRC). Sources vary as to by which Pope (and, accordingly, when) the latinate mitre was gifted to the Catholicos. The Armenian Apostolic Church itself (as well as other authority) credits Pope Lucius III as gifting it. together with a crosier and patriarchal vestments, to Catholicos Grigor IV Tigha in 1184.

That makes sense to me, as a gesture of acknowledging and cementing the relationship. (Other sources cite Pope Innocent III, but there was no compelling event for him to have done so.)

The mitre and latinate crosier were both adopted and continue in use by hierarchs of both the Apostolic and Catholic Churches to this day. The prior usage had been similar to that of Byzantium (from which the Armenian liturgical usage, etc had originated, before their theological separation and geographic isolation resulted in development of their unique ritual praxis).

Subsequently, the Byzantine style headgear (see the example linked in my earlier post) and staff, abandoned by the bishops, devolved to the use of the two uppermost ranks of Vartabads, prelature dignities akin to those of Mitred Archpriests and Archimandrites in Churches of Byzantine origin and of Chorepiscopi and Periodeuts in those of Antiochene origin.

Many years,

Neil
Next time I am in Boston (January-ish) we need to get together for a pint… If that is still your home turf… and if you are not averse to a pint!
 
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/e/e8/Mar_Dinkha_IV_Khanaya.png

Here is a remarkable example of some clerical cross-pollination. Anyone know who this fellow is? (if you give up you can take a look at the link to the photo!)

I count about 3 distinctive influences there…

It happens.
Mar Dinkha’s clerical garb (as opposed to liturgical vesture) reflects, to a certain degree, Anglican influence, as the CoE was long active in the Assyrian lands.

(Curiously, Anglican interest and involvement there was as much or more academic than evangelical, although I’m sure it wasn’t their original intent. They appear to have been fascinated by this bastion of early Christianity and much of the excellent and thoroughly researched 19th century literature on the Assyrian Church and its liturgical praxis, etc, is a product of the Anglicans.)

Many years,

Neil
 
Can I sneak in a question?

Does anybody have a suggestion of a thread which talks about Eastern prayers and spirituality? does the Eastern church have a Rosary? prayer book in english?
 
Can I sneak in a question?

Does anybody have a suggestion of a thread which talks about Eastern prayers and spirituality? does the Eastern church have a Rosary? prayer book in english?
Books: ***
Byzantine Daily Worship.***
The Jordanville Prayerbook
as a teenager I found *The Living God Vol 1 & 2 *helpful
**The Way of a Pilgrim **is a good book to read to get some ideas of Slavic piety, but I would not do what I did at 15 - read through it in 24 hours and then immediately attempt to say the Jesus Prayer 300,000 per day…

YES some of us pray the Rosary… Some of us use the familiar Latin form - others offer the Byzantine formulations… still others prefer to adopt the chotki for the Jesus Prayer.
 
The interesting thing about this photo is you can tell that he is a modern Uniate right off the bat. Here’s another one…
http://www.stjohnbyz.org/images/bishopandrew.jpg

Many Eastern Catholic bishops of the Byzantine-Slavonic rite are returning to the traditional omophorion. Bishop John (Kudrick) of Parma has returned to the traditional Omophorion, he must have a heck of a time with it without subdeacons.

Thus, the pre-sewn ‘bib’ as illustrated here above. Unfortunately, the loss of subdeacons and the traditional Omophorion deny the congregation of the benefit of the ritual vesting of the bishop when he enters the temple for a hierarchical Divine Liturgy.

http://ocaphoto.oca.org/filetmp/2004/August/91/Detail/DSC_0010.jpg

I believe St Elias, in Brampton ON is doing it’s own bit to restore these venerable and worthwhile genuine traditions of the church (the Ukrainians have restored the subdiaconate). But it is not typical, such celebration of genuine Orthodox praxis is frowned upon by many, who might (I speculate here) fear that this means they are not a unique manifestation of the eastern church, but just another part of the larger whole.

http://www.saintelias.com/foto/big/bpvest5trikdik_hierxelia.jpg

Hopefully, all Uniate bishops will return to the original genuine article eventually, sdymbolically breaking with their suppressed past. Inspired by the bishop of Rome, who is clearly sending a message on more than one level with the change in his own Omophorion…



http://www.stvincent-tallassee.org/images/195_benedict16pallium.jpg
 
watch it Michael - we have officially been asked not to use that term 🙂
 
watch it Michael - we have officially been asked not to use that term 🙂
Oh, thanks.

I didn’t know since I was in the twilight zone for a while

DEAR MODERATOR
Sorry about the mixup. I would be pleased if you would delete that term from my posts…instead of me.

Thanks

Michael
 
I want to respectfully ask why beards prevail? Obviously they are not mandatory, because one of the pictures in this thread shows an Eastern Catholic without a beard. Is that tradition?

I am aware that, historically, even pre-Christian Greeks tended to wear beards, whereas even pre-Christian Romans were customarily clean-shaven. Is it as simple as that?
 
I want to respectfully ask why beards prevail?
It ties to the iconography of the image of Christ in the priest. Some Orthodox are clean shaven, some Byzantines have nice bushy beards, Goatees and neatly closely trimmed beards are rather common as well.

(Abp. Iakavos of the GOA sported a rather dignified set of neatly trimmed whiskers, IMO.)

A small but vocal minority (usually convert laity) in some Orthodox circles look suspiciously on the “cleaned-cheeked priests” as I heard one call them as “perhaps too modern”. But I don’t think most see it as being that important…
 
I can’t find a picture of my favorite vestment in use and this doesn’t do it justice. I don’t know why, but the large and flowing exorasson is my favorite.

http://www.kwvestments.com/images/102ant_exo.jpg

I also like gold vestments with burgundy accents. Since I am not adept at searching, this is the best I could find.
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