Post resurrection Gospel Account discrepencies?

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Hello,

According to Matthew & Mark, the disciples went to Galilee according to Jesus’ command to the women. It also seems like the ascension happened in Galilee. Luke seems to put these events (first contact with the apostles & ascension) in Jerusalem & Mt. Olivet.

I’m sure there has been an article written on this. Can someone point me to one?

Thanks,
Derek
 
Hello,

According to Matthew & Mark, the disciples went to Galilee according to Jesus’ command to the women. It also seems like the ascension happened in Galilee. Luke seems to put these events (first contact with the apostles & ascension) in Jerusalem & Mt. Olivet.

I’m sure there has been an article written on this. Can someone point me to one?

Thanks,
Derek
Yes there has.
The Resurrection Appearances of Jesus

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Explaining Away Jesus’ Resurrection:
The Recent Revival of Hallucination Theories
by Gary R. Habermas
(4) Of course, if the appearances were hallucinations, then Jesus’ body should have been located safely and securely in its grave just outside the city of Jerusalem! That body would undoubtedly be a rather large disclaimer to the disciples’ efforts to preach that Jesus was raised! But hallucinations do not even address this, so another naturalistic thesis is required.
Still other issues also impede the hallucination hypothesis. While these are perhaps not as weighty, they still count: (5) Why did the hallucinations stop after 40 days? Why didn’t they continue to spread to other believers, just as the others had? (6) The resurrection was the disciples’ central teaching, and we usually take extra care with what is closest to our hearts. This is what drove Paul to check out the nature of the gospel data with other key disciples on at least two occasions, to make sure he was preaching the truth (Gal. 1:18-19; 2:1-10). He found that they were also speaking of Jesus’ appearances to them (1 Cor. 15:11). (7) What about the natural human tendency to touch? Would no one ever discover, even in a single instance, that their best friend, seemingly standing perhaps just a few feet away, was not really there?
Gary Habermas dedicated his life to studying Jesus’ Resurrection.
 
Hello,

According to Matthew & Mark, the disciples went to Galilee according to Jesus’ command to the women. It also seems like the ascension happened in Galilee. Luke seems to put these events (first contact with the apostles & ascension) in Jerusalem & Mt. Olivet.

I’m sure there has been an article written on this. Can someone point me to one?

Thanks,
Derek
There is nothing in Matthew about Jesus’ ascension.

Mark’s gospel notes that Jesus ascended, but “when” this occurred is not made clear – just that it happened after Jesus’ conversation/s with the apostles. We don’t know how soon after. Also, it does not state “where” the ascension occurred. .
Jesus’ conversation with the apostles in the previous verses (Mark 16: 15-18) seems to have taken place in Jerusalem – but it may well have taken place some time before He actually ascended.
 
There is nothing in Matthew about Jesus’ ascension.

Mark’s gospel notes that Jesus ascended, but “when” this occurred is not made clear – just that it happened after Jesus’ conversation/s with the apostles. We don’t know how soon after. Also, it does not state “where” the ascension occurred. .
Jesus’ conversation with the apostles in the previous verses (Mark 16: 15-18) seems to have taken place in Jerusalem – but it may well have taken place some time before He actually ascended.
You must also remember that Mark 16:9-20 (aka “The Longer Ending”) seems to be a later addition to the main text of Mark, which ends rather abruptly - more evident in the Greek - in 16:8, with the women running away in fear from the tomb.
 
Hello,

According to Matthew & Mark, the disciples went to Galilee according to Jesus’ command to the women. It also seems like the ascension happened in Galilee. Luke seems to put these events (first contact with the apostles & ascension) in Jerusalem & Mt. Olivet.

I’m sure there has been an article written on this. Can someone point me to one?

Thanks,
Derek
First, Matthew does not explicitly say anything about the Ascension in his Gospel. All he writes is:

Now the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain to which Jesus had directed them. And when they saw him they worshiped him, but some doubted. And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.

As for Mark, it would seem that the Mark’s Gospel originally ended (as I’ve mentioned, abruptly) with 16:8, with the women running away from the empty tomb in fear and “[saying] nothing to anyone, for they were afraid.” Various reasons have been proposed for this sudden, cliffhanger-type finale: whether Mark actually ended his Gospel on purpose at this point or whether the original ending was accidentally lost for some reason or another. In short, Mark’s original text also doesn’t say anything about post-Resurrection appearances or Ascension. Now, as for the so-called Longer Ending (16:9-20): it only mentions that Jesus appeared to the Eleven “as they were reclining at table” and that He apparently “was taken up” after His commanding them to “proclaim the gospel to the whole creation” (with no exact indicator of where they were then).

John also is silent about it. In fact, some interpret John 20:22 (“Receive the Holy Spirit”) as possibly meaning that for John, Jesus had already ‘ascended’ in some way later on the same day He was raised (cf. 7:39; 16:7; cf. 20:17 “I have not yet ascended to the Father”).

Which leaves only Luke to record the actual event. In his Gospel, he records that " he led them out as far as Bethany," where Jesus “was carried up into heaven,” at which the disciples return to Jerusalem (24:50-51). The corresponding, more fuller account in Acts (1:4-12) notes: “Then they returned to Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is near Jerusalem, a Sabbath day’s journey away,” which may imply that the Ascension occurred there. The Chapel of the Ascension, one of the sites traditionally proposed for the event, is located in the Mount of Olives, as per Acts.

At first glance it may seem like Luke contradicts himself, giving two separate locations. To this some answer that it may not be as difficult as some might think: Bethany is down the eastern slope of the Mount of Olives about two miles from Jerusalem, so there is not too much of a difficulty. (Also note that the Gospel refers to the vicinity of Bethany, whereas Acts refers specifically to the hill.)

A few others think (a view which admittedly I don’t really hold) that there were actually multiple ‘ascensions’ of Jesus, of which THE Ascension is but the final one, marking the end of His post-Resurrection appearances. Admittedly this idea makes me think of a little scenario: “Uh, Dad? Sorry to disturb all this heavenly chanting and whatnot, but I’ll think I’ll go down back there for a sec. I think they haven’t grasped ‘baptize them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost’ properly yet. Oh, and I’ll probably come back by elevator again!😛
 
“Uh, Dad? Sorry to disturb all this heavenly chanting and whatnot, but I’ll think I’ll go down back there for a sec. I think they haven’t grasped ‘baptize them in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost’ properly yet. Oh, and I’ll probably come back by elevator again!”
Evidently, some folks still have not gotten the memo on this one! :rolleyes:

OK Thanks folks, I think I have enough info here to have a dialog with the person who suggested this point to me in the first place.

Thanks & God Bless,
Derek
 
Hello,

According to Matthew & Mark, the disciples went to Galilee according to Jesus’ command to the women. It also seems like the ascension happened in Galilee. Luke seems to put these events (first contact with the apostles & ascension) in Jerusalem & Mt. Olivet.

I’m sure there has been an article written on this. Can someone point me to one?

Thanks,
Derek
Hey Derek. :)Once I read Matthew, Luke, Mark, John and Acts thoroughly, a couple things became obvious:
  1. Matthew, Mark, Luke John and Acts, (individually or collectively) do not tell us the whole story of what transpired, regarding the 40 days after Jesus’ resurrection, leading up to His ascension. No biggie…👍
John, at the end of his gospel, tells us why:

“Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”
  1. Jesus’ ascension absolutely, as per scripture, occurred on Mount of Olives, in Bethany, about 2 miles from Jerusalem:
They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. “Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.” Then the apostles returned to Jerusalem from the hill called the Mount of Olives, *(Bethany is on the eastern slope of the Mount of Olives)***a Sabbath day’s walk from the city. When they arrived, they went upstairs (in Jerusalem) to the room where they were staying." *
  1. There are no contradictions. We must remember that the apostles’ natural inclination would be the desire to return to their home town, Galilee, where their permanent residence was found. However, the apostles continued to remain in Jerusalem (on a temporary basis, in their minds) * in order to receive the power of the Holy Spirit, as per Jesus’ command. Obviously though, they continued to travel to Galilee, as recorded in scripture. Perhaps to work e.g. “Simon Peter told them, and they said, “We’ll go with you.” So they went out and got into the boat, but that night they caught nothing.”
Fact: Jesus, (and the angels) both tell the women to tell the apostles to go to Galilee, and they did. However, they continued to temporarily reside in Jerusalem:

Galilee -

“Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority…”

Afterwards Jesus appeared again to his disciples, by the Sea of Galilee. It happened this way…
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Jerusalem* -

"When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them." *
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Here is the Harmony of the Gospels in the Aquinas Study Bible

The Women at the Tomb
(Matt 28:1-8 Mark 16:1-8 Luke 24:1-12 John 20:1-13)


Mary Magdalene and the other Mary. (Mt 28:1) That is, the wife of Cleophas and mother of James. These were the leaders and standard-bearers of the rest who were wont to follow Christ; for that there were several others is clear from Luke 23:55, where, among others, he names Joanna, the wife of Chuza, Herod’s steward: and Mark adds Salome. (Mark 16:1) The Blessed Virgin Mother of God did not come with them, because she certainly knew and expected that Christ would rise on that same day; whence she knew that the anointing would be useless.
You will say, How do Matthew and Mark say that the angel sat, (Mt 28:5 Mark 16:5) when Luke says that he stood? (Luke 24:4) I answer, that by a Hebraism, to stand is a term applicable to any position; for it only signifies that a thing is present, whether standing upright, or sitting, or lying. Then, also, the account given by Matthew and Mark is a different one from that given by Luke, as I shall presently show.
You will say, secondly, How does Matthew say that the angel sat upon the stone rolled back, that is, outside the sepulchre, (28:2) when Mark says that the women saw the angel not outside,(Mark 16:5) but on entering into the tomb? I answer, that the angel first removed the stone which closed the sepulchre, and then terrified the watch who were outside, and drove them away, so that they might not hinder the women from approaching the sepulchre; then, that he entered the sepulchre itself, and was there seen by the women, that he might show them the empty sepulchre, and that Christ had risen. Whence he says, “He is risen, as He said; come, see the place where the Lord lay.” (Mt 28:6 Mark 16:6) So Theophylact. Or, rather, the angel of whom Matthew speaks was a different one from that of whom Mark speaks. So Barradius.
But I maintain that the same angel is spoken of by Mark as by Matthew. For Mark is generally the interpreter of Matthew. Wherefore, what Mark says about their entering into the tomb is to be understand thus, when they were preparing or beginning to enter the tomb; for they had not yet entered it, but were still outside, and there they saw and heard the angel, as Matthew has it. For to enter signifies, here and elsewhere, an act begun and not finished.
And the angel answered, &c. (Mt 28:5) You will say, How is it that Matthew and Mark speak only of one angel as seen by the women, when Luke affirms that two were seen, who comforted the women with different words from those which Matthew and Mark have? I answer that the account of Luke (24:4) is different from that of Matthew, and that he relates what happened later, as I shall hereafter show. The women. Namely, the Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, Joanna, and the rest (see Luke 24:10). Those are mistaken, therefore, who think that Magdalene, after she had seen the empty sepulchre, immediately ran back to tell the Apostles, without seeing the angels, and that they were only seen by Mary the mother of James and the rest. John, therefore (Jn 20:1), while he mentions Magdalene only, with her understands all the rest of her companions; for she was the leader and chief of them all.
In the historical order of the events must be brought in here what Luke mentions (24:3), namely, that Magdalene and her companions, while at the invitation of the angel they had entered the sepulchre and seen that it was empty, yet were affrighted; on account of which the angels cheered them, and at the same time gently reproved their want of faith. For that Luke’s account is not the same as that of Matthew and Mark, as some think, is clear from the words themselves, which are evidently different. Also, from the circumstance that in Luke two angels are said to have appeared, while in Matthew and Mark only one is mentioned.

Tell His disciples. (Mt 28:7) Matthew does not mention what they told; but John and Luke explain it, but in different ways. For John says that Magdalene only said to Peter,(Jn 20:2) They have taken away my Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid Him. But Luke says that they related to the Apostles all the things they had seen and heard. (Luke 24:10)
You will say, Whence this difference? I answer, It arises from the women being possessed with fear and doubt, and therefore they told no one anything by the way. And because they did not firmly and certainly believe that Christ had risen, they spoke alternating words, in accordance with the alternations of their thoughts; for at one time they speak of the vision of angels, at another they declare their opinion that the body of the Lord had been taken away.
At this point we must bring into the history what S. John relates (Jn 20:2-19).
Magdalene, then, was the first to see Christ, as Mark says. Afterwards, at the command of Christ, she hastened after the other women, and overtook them, and then with them again saw Christ, and heard His salutation. So St. Chrysostom, St. Jerome, and others. (Cornelius a Lapide)
 
Jesus Appears to the Women
(Matt 28:9-10 Mark 16:9-11 Luke 24:10-11 John 20:14-18)


At this point we next take up what Matthew has recorded in the following passage: “Behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail! And they came and held Him by the feet, and worshipped Him.”(Mt 28:9) For thus we gather that, on coming to the sepulchre, they were twice addressed by the angels; and, again, that they were also twice addressed by the Lord Himself, namely, at the point at which Mary took Him to be the gardener, and a second time at present, when He meets them on the way, with a view to strengthen them by such a repetition, and to bring them out of their state of fear. “Then, accordingly, said He unto them, Be not afraid: go, tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.”(Mt 28:10) “Then came Mary Magdalene, and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that He had spoken these things unto her;”(Jn 20:18) —not herself alone, however, but with her also those other women to whom Luke alludes when he says, “Which told these things unto the eleven disciples, and all the rest. And their words seemed to them like madness, and they believed them not.”(Luke 24:10-11) Mark also attests these facts; for, after telling us how the women went out from the sepulchre, trembling and amazed, and said nothing to any man, he subjoins the statement, that the Lord rose early the first day of the week, and appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had cast seven devils, and that she went and told them who had been with Him, as they mourned and wept, and that they, when they heard that He was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not.(Mark 16:9-20) It is further to be observed, that Matthew has also introduced a notice to the effect that, as the women who had seen and heard all these things were going away, there came likewise into the city some of the guards who had been lying like dead men, and that these persons reported to the chief priests all the things that were done, that is to say, those of them which they were themselves also in a position to observe. He tells us, moreover, that when they were assembled with the elders and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers, and bade them say that His disciples came and stole Him away while they slept, promising at the same time to secure them against the governor, who had given those guards. Finally, he adds that they took the money, and did as they had been taught, and that this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.(Mt 28:11-25) (St. Augustine Harmony of the Gospels 3.24)
 
Jesus Appears to the Eleven on a Mountain in Galilee
(Matt 28:16-20)


But it is to be considered, how the Lord could be seen bodily in Galilee. For that it was not the day of the Resurrection is manifest; for He was seen that day in Jerusalem in the beginning of the night, as Luke and John evidently agree. Nor was it in the eight following days, after which John says that the Lord appeared to His disciples, and when Thomas first saw Him, who had not seen Him on the day of the Resurrection.
For if within these eight days the eleven had seen Him on a mountain in Galilee, Thomas, who was one of the eleven, could not have seen Him first after the eight days. Unless it be said, that the eleven there spoken of were eleven out of the general body of the disciples, and not the eleven Apostles.
But there is another difficulty. John having related that the Lord was seen not in the mountain, but at the sea of Tiberias, by seven who were fishing, adds, “This is now the third time that Jesus showed himself to his disciples after he was risen from the dead. [John 21:14]
So that if we understand the Lord to have been seen within those eight days by eleven of the disciples, this manifestation at the sea of Tiberias will be the fourth, and not the third, appearance. Indeed, to understand John’s account at all it must be observed, that he computes not each appearance, but each day on which Jesus appeared, though He may have appeared more than once on the same day; as He did three times on the day of His Resurrection. We are then obliged to understand that this appearance to the eleven disciples on the mountain in Galilee took place last of all.
In the four Evangelists we find in all ten distinct appearances of Our Lord after His Resurrection.
  1. At the sepulchre to the women.
  2. To the same women on their way back from the sepulchre.
  3. To Peter.
  4. To two disciples as they went into the country.
  5. To many together in Jerusalem;
  6. when Thomas was not with them.
  7. At the sea of Tiberias.
  8. At the mountain in Galilee, according to Matthew.
  9. To the eleven as they sat at meat, because they should not again eat with Him upon earth, related by Mark. [Mark 16:14]
  10. On the day of His Ascension, no longer on the earth, but raised aloft in a cloud, as related by both Mark and Luke.
    But all is not written, as John confesses, for He had much conversation with them during forty days before His ascension, “being seen of them, and speaking unto them of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God.” [Acts 1:3] (St. Augustine Harmony of the Gospels 3.25)
 
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