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childofmary1143
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Well then why did you post this ***I did not say he declared this…but he taught it. ***
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gorman64
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He taught it in an encyclical…and in public audiences.
What do you mean by declare?
What do you mean by declare?
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childofmary1143
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I apologize if I seem to be argumentative its just that it seems so odd. Can you tell me which Encyclical and citation number pleaseHe taught it in an encyclical…and in public audiences.
What do you mean by declare?
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gorman64
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A few direct quotes from JohnPaul II:
“From now on and always, without regret and without turning back, God shall be with all mankind, becoming one with it, to save it and give it to his Son, the Redeemer…For all time, the Incarnation bestows upon man his unique, extraordinary and ineffable dignity”
(JPII March 25, 1981 speech to a general audience, O.R. 31.03.81, p. 12)
“Accordingly, what is in question here is man in all his truth, in his full magnitude. We are not dealing with the “abstract” man, but the real, “concrete”, “historical” man. We are dealing with “each” man, for each one is included in the mystery of the Redemption and with each one Christ has united himself forever through this mystery. Every man comes into the world through being conceived in his mother’s womb and being born of his mother, and precisely on account of the mystery of the Redemption is entrusted to the solicitude of the Church. Her solicitude is about the whole man and is focused on him in an altogether special manner. The object of her care is man in his unique unrepeatable human reality, which keeps intact the image and likeness of God himself 92. The Council points out this very fact when, speaking of that likeness, it recalls that “man is the only creature on earth that God willed for itself” 93. Man as “willed” by God, as “chosen” by him from eternity and called, destined for grace and glory-this is “each” man, “the most concrete” man, “the most real”; this is man in all the fullness of the mystery in which he has become a sharer in Jesus Christ, the mystery in which each one of the four thousand million human beings living on our planet has become a sharer from the moment he is conceived beneath the heart of his mother.” (JPII, Redemptor Hominis 13.3)
“This man is the way for the Church-a way that, in a sense, is the basis of all the other ways that the Church must walk-because man-every man without any exception whatever-has been redeemed by Christ, and because with man-with each man without any exception whatever-Christ is in a way united, even when man is unaware of it: “Christ, who died and was raised up for all, provides man”-each man and every man- "with the light and the strength to measure up to his supreme calling” (JPII, R.H. 14.3)
JPII seems to believe that the incarnation…Word made flesh…was the redemption of all men without exception.
“From now on and always, without regret and without turning back, God shall be with all mankind, becoming one with it, to save it and give it to his Son, the Redeemer…For all time, the Incarnation bestows upon man his unique, extraordinary and ineffable dignity”
(JPII March 25, 1981 speech to a general audience, O.R. 31.03.81, p. 12)
“Accordingly, what is in question here is man in all his truth, in his full magnitude. We are not dealing with the “abstract” man, but the real, “concrete”, “historical” man. We are dealing with “each” man, for each one is included in the mystery of the Redemption and with each one Christ has united himself forever through this mystery. Every man comes into the world through being conceived in his mother’s womb and being born of his mother, and precisely on account of the mystery of the Redemption is entrusted to the solicitude of the Church. Her solicitude is about the whole man and is focused on him in an altogether special manner. The object of her care is man in his unique unrepeatable human reality, which keeps intact the image and likeness of God himself 92. The Council points out this very fact when, speaking of that likeness, it recalls that “man is the only creature on earth that God willed for itself” 93. Man as “willed” by God, as “chosen” by him from eternity and called, destined for grace and glory-this is “each” man, “the most concrete” man, “the most real”; this is man in all the fullness of the mystery in which he has become a sharer in Jesus Christ, the mystery in which each one of the four thousand million human beings living on our planet has become a sharer from the moment he is conceived beneath the heart of his mother.” (JPII, Redemptor Hominis 13.3)
“This man is the way for the Church-a way that, in a sense, is the basis of all the other ways that the Church must walk-because man-every man without any exception whatever-has been redeemed by Christ, and because with man-with each man without any exception whatever-Christ is in a way united, even when man is unaware of it: “Christ, who died and was raised up for all, provides man”-each man and every man- "with the light and the strength to measure up to his supreme calling” (JPII, R.H. 14.3)
JPII seems to believe that the incarnation…Word made flesh…was the redemption of all men without exception.
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childofmary1143
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Thank you for all your work in typing out what he says.A few direct quotes from JohnPaul II:
“From now on and always, without regret and without turning back, God shall be with all mankind, becoming one with it, to save it and give it to his Son, the Redeemer…For all time, the Incarnation bestows upon man his unique, extraordinary and ineffable dignity”
(JPII March 25, 1981 speech to a general audience, O.R. 31.03.81, p. 12)
“Accordingly, what is in question here is man in all his truth, in his full magnitude. We are not dealing with the “abstract” man, but the real, “concrete”, “historical” man. We are dealing with “each” man, for each one is included in the mystery of the Redemption and with each one Christ has united himself forever through this mystery. Every man comes into the world through being conceived in his mother’s womb and being born of his mother, and precisely on account of the mystery of the Redemption is entrusted to the solicitude of the Church. Her solicitude is about the whole man and is focused on him in an altogether special manner. The object of her care is man in his unique unrepeatable human reality, which keeps intact the image and likeness of God himself 92. The Council points out this very fact when, speaking of that likeness, it recalls that “man is the only creature on earth that God willed for itself” 93. Man as “willed” by God, as “chosen” by him from eternity and called, destined for grace and glory-this is “each” man, “the most concrete” man, “the most real”; this is man in all the fullness of the mystery in which he has become a sharer in Jesus Christ, the mystery in which each one of the four thousand million human beings living on our planet has become a sharer from the moment he is conceived beneath the heart of his mother.” (JPII, Redemptor Hominis 13.3)
“This man is the way for the Church-a way that, in a sense, is the basis of all the other ways that the Church must walk-because man-every man without any exception whatever-has been redeemed by Christ, and because with man-with each man without any exception whatever-Christ is in a way united, even when man is unaware of it: “Christ, who died and was raised up for all, provides man”-each man and every man- "with the light and the strength to measure up to his supreme calling” (JPII, R.H. 14.3)
JPII seems to believe that the incarnation…Word made flesh…was the redemption of all men without exception.
How I read what you originally posted and what I read here is obviously different.
The Pope is saying that Christ is united forever to the mystery. Not to each and every man. Big difference
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gorman64
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Is he? I don’t think it reads that way.The Pope is saying that Christ is united forever to the mystery. Not to each and every man. Big difference
We are dealing with “each” man, for each one is included in the mystery of the Redemption and with each one Christ has united himself forever through this mystery.
From now on and always, without regret and without turning back, God shall be with all mankind, becoming one with it, to save it and give it to his Son, the Redeemer…For all time, the Incarnation bestows upon man his unique, extraordinary and ineffable dignity”
This all sounds quite odd to me…where is the redemption of the cross? No man was redeemed prior to the sacrifice of the cross…not even the just. Now every man is redeemed…for all time? What does this mean?(JPII March 25, 1981 speech to a general audience, O.R. 31.03.81, p. 12)
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twf
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When we read the writings of the Holy Father we must consider them in light of the Sacred Tradition and the constant teaching of the Magisterium. I assure you that a holy, orthodox man like John Paul II believed in the eternal damnation of the wicked! I assume that in the above quotes he was emphasizing the fact that salvation is AVAILABLE for all mankind. God has opened his arms to all of us offering the free gift of everlasting life.
In Christ with Mary and all the Elect Angels and Saints,
Tyler
In Christ with Mary and all the Elect Angels and Saints,
Tyler
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Ecce_homo_1
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Christ has redeemed all mankind, no work we do can add to or take away from the redemptive work that Christ has done, however we can choose Christ’s redemptive sacrifice or reject it, we can choose Go’d will or reject it, whatever we do it doesn’t add or take away from the fact that Christ has redeemed all mankind, that doesn’t mean all are saved, salvation takes work we all know that. But Christ’s work is a perfect sacrifice for all men, and nothing we do can ever add to or subtract from Christ’s redemptive work. I believe this is orthodox Catholic teaching and that appears to be what the Holy Father is saying… To me at least.A few direct quotes from JohnPaul II:
“From now on and always, without regret and without turning back, God shall be with all mankind, becoming one with it, to save it and give it to his Son, the Redeemer…For all time, the Incarnation bestows upon man his unique, extraordinary and ineffable dignity”
(JPII March 25, 1981 speech to a general audience, O.R. 31.03.81, p. 12)
“Accordingly, what is in question here is man in all his truth, in his full magnitude. We are not dealing with the “abstract” man, but the real, “concrete”, “historical” man. We are dealing with “each” man, for each one is included in the mystery of the Redemption and with each one Christ has united himself forever through this mystery. Every man comes into the world through being conceived in his mother’s womb and being born of his mother, and precisely on account of the mystery of the Redemption is entrusted to the solicitude of the Church. Her solicitude is about the whole man and is focused on him in an altogether special manner. The object of her care is man in his unique unrepeatable human reality, which keeps intact the image and likeness of God himself 92. The Council points out this very fact when, speaking of that likeness, it recalls that “man is the only creature on earth that God willed for itself” 93. Man as “willed” by God, as “chosen” by him from eternity and called, destined for grace and glory-this is “each” man, “the most concrete” man, “the most real”; this is man in all the fullness of the mystery in which he has become a sharer in Jesus Christ, the mystery in which each one of the four thousand million human beings living on our planet has become a sharer from the moment he is conceived beneath the heart of his mother.” (JPII, Redemptor Hominis 13.3)
“This man is the way for the Church-a way that, in a sense, is the basis of all the other ways that the Church must walk-because man-every man without any exception whatever-has been redeemed by Christ, and because with man-with each man without any exception whatever-Christ is in a way united, even when man is unaware of it: “Christ, who died and was raised up for all, provides man”-each man and every man- "with the light and the strength to measure up to his supreme calling” (JPII, R.H. 14.3)
JPII seems to believe that the incarnation…Word made flesh…was the redemption of all men without exception.
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