Poster "stunned" by Mary's Immaculate Conception

[believers]

Your Holy Spirit must be different than Ours because you don’t believe in Church authority, guided by the Holy Spirit, and made it clear the Mary is the Immaculate Conception.

The Word of God is the only authority. The Bible says believe it or die. Can your church say that?

Hbr 4:12
For the Word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

2Ti 3:16
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Pro 15:32
He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding.

Pro 15:10
Correction [is] grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: [and] he that hateth reproof shall die.

 

[believers]

Dang, just when I thought I’d found the real spokesman of the Holy Spirit.

Oh, wait, that’s the Church, and I’m already here.

Dang? Now I understand why you don’t quote scripture.

 

[Mannyfit75]

The Word of God is the only authority. The Bible says believe it or die. Can your church say that?

Hbr 4:12
For the Word of God [is] quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and [is] a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

2Ti 3:16
All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Pro 15:32
He that refuseth instruction despiseth his own soul: but he that heareth reproof getteth understanding.

Pro 15:10
Correction [is] grievous unto him that forsaketh the way: [and] he that hateth reproof shall die.

I see that you are well verse in Scripture. A verse I have seen before. Though what I do find lacking in those verses is it doesn’t say, Bible alone is the final authority. Not every one.

You also have to note that when Paul wrote 2 Tim 3:16, the Scripture at the time was the OT. So again, how do we know the NT is just as inspired as the Old Testament.

Even the Word Trinity is not even in the Bible. I’m going to ask you a question.

Where in the Bible does it list all inspired books? How do you know it is inspired?

 

[MrS]

The Word of God is the only authority. The Bible says believe it or die. Can your church say that?

Yes the Catholic Church instructs the world that we all must believe one sola:

Sola Dei Verbum

We need to believe Only The Word of God.

And the Word of God is Jesus… the Word made Flesh.

Further we believe in God’s plan to deliver that Word come to us from 3 sources.

The first is the Teachings of Jesus Himself, as given to the Apostles for safeguarding. This is what the Catholic Church refers to as Tradition.

The second the written collection of those Traditions, much of which became the Canon of Scripture. This development occured under the guidance of the Holy Spirit Who used human authors to authenticate the Truth. We call it the Bible. It is a Catholic Book… use it wisely.

The third is the Magisterium, or teaching body, of that same Church founded by Christ Himself. All the promises to guide, protect, and insure the Truth were given by Jesus to Peter and the Apostles alone… not to any of the men (and some women) who arose over the centuries with their own declarations of what is Truth.

The Church itself is also three… it is the body of believers…it is the spouse of Christ… and it is the very visible and alive entity with a hierarchy that has existed for 2000 years, and is first portrayed in our Bible in the book of Acts.

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[Valke2]

Agreed.

Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.”

“How can a man be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb to be born!”

Jesus answered, “I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’ The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

Spirit gives birth to spirit. Accepting that statement, it seems that Jesus is not saying he is the only way. Jesus was not spirit. He was physical. If it is the “spirit” of God that we shoujld be seeking, it seems we can do this without accepting Jesus.

 

[jmcrae]

If it’s in the Bible, it is inspired by the Holy Spirit. If it isn’t, then it’s man’s word.

But it’s “man’s word” what’s in the Bible. The table of contents in your Bible is not an “inspired writing” - it’s an oral tradition that comes from the Church.

 

[PaulDupre]

Plus IMHO the attributes that are given to Mary are really only for one person and that is Christ. IMHO the sinlessness of Mary and her being born of a virgin birth as well seriously undermines why Jesus came and what it meant.

The Catholic Church does not teach that Mary was born of a virgin. The Immaculate Conception does not imply a virgin birth. It means that Mary was, due to the merits of her Son, Jesus, preserved from original sin at the moment of her conception in her mother’s womb. Mary’s parents conceived her in the normal and natural manner.

The Virgin Birth refers to the birth of Jesus, not Mary.

Paul

 

[Sixtus]

here is no way to prove as a matter of fact whether Mary was assumed into heaven or not. The absence of a body is not absolute proof because bodies go missing all the time

That is a statement made by someone thinking in third millenium terms.

We know for a fact that when St James the greater died, his grave was marked and revered as a place of worship by the early Church, as indeed were several of the prominent members of the early Church.

The practice of the early Church to celebrate mass at the gravesites of the early Fathers [eg St Callistus pope, martyred in 222] and buried at Via Aurelia, which became a regular place of worship [and arrest] for the Fathers who followed.

Is it not likely then that if the Lords Kith and Kin [St James the Greater] grave should be recorded and revered, the grave of His Blessed Mother likewise?

Yet there appear no records that the early Church recorded her place of burial. No records of Mass being celebrated there. That suggests very strongly to me that her place of burial was not known-very unusual, or she was not buried.

 

[catholicgirl333]

IMHO the sinlessness of Mary and her being born of a virgin birth as well seriously undermines why Jesus came and what it meant.

For the record, the Catholic Church does not teach that Mary was born of a virgin. The doctrine is that she was preserved from original sin. Two different concepts.