Posture after the Agnus Dei

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The Diocese of Gaylord, Michigan has had everyone stand after the Agnus Dei and keep standing until after everyone has received communion.
I am from the Seattle diocese and I think there has been some misunderstanding concerning this directive. We are asked to stand (as stated above) until everyone has received communion. Then we are free to sit or kneel for private prayer after communion. This usually lasts for 2-3 minutes.

Thus, the uniformity in posture is maintained. As is the desire for private prayer after communion.
 
I am from the Seattle diocese and I think there has been some misunderstanding concerning this directive. We are asked to stand (as stated above) until everyone has received communion. Then we are free to sit or kneel for private prayer after communion. This usually lasts for 2-3 minutes.

Thus, the uniformity in posture is maintained. As is the desire for private prayer after communion.
The dubium in post #6 shows that, while the default posture when returning to the pew after receiving Communion is standing, it is not to be interpreted so rigidly as to prevent someone from kneeling or sitting if they want to. What Rome was saying is that standing couldn’t be imposed.
 
The dubium in post #6 shows that, while the default posture when returning to the pew after receiving Communion is standing, it is not to be interpreted so rigidly as to prevent someone from kneeling or sitting if they want to. What Rome was saying is that standing couldn’t be imposed.
Correct. But I think the local bishop could ask that we remain standing for some time and then kneel when all have returned. It did not specify when we were free to begin kneeling only that there must be time to kneel (if desired) after communion. So there is still some confusion as to what the bishop can legitimately request of the congregation.

I know our bishop asked for us to remain standing till all have received, our priest has gone beyond this and asked us to stand until he has purified the vessels (6-8 chalises and 4 cibarium. Then he clears the altar and sits. We then kneel or sit for 2-3 minutes 'til he rises with “Let us pray”.

If that final time of silence is not observed, one would need to be permitted to kneel immediately following communion as per the dubium.

My preference would be to kneel through the purification process and the clearing of the altar, then sit with the priest. But out of respect for him, I stand then kneel. In this way I find a great separation between the liturgy of the word (standing and sitting) and the liturgy of the Eucharist (standing and kneeling… no sitting from the Sanctus to the end of Mass). I’m coming to like it.
 
Cardinal Francis Arinze, Prefect of the CDW, responded to the question on June 5, 2003 (Prot. N. 855/03/L):
Code:
Responsum: Negative, et ad mensum [No, for this reason]. The mens [reasoning] is that the prescription of the Institutio Generalis Missalis Romani, no. 43, is intended, on the one hand, to ensure within broad limits a certain uniformity of posture within the congregation for the various parts of the celebration of Holy Mass, and on the other, to not regulate posture rigidly in such a way that those who wish to kneel or sit would no longer be free.
The BCL Newsletter continues: “In the implementation of the General Instruction of the Roman Missal, therefore,** posture should not be regulated so rigidly as to forbid individual communicants from kneeling or sitting when returning from having received Holy Communion**” (p. 26. Emphasis added.)

Earlier, the CDW had reaffirmed kneeling after the Ecce Agnus Dei [Behold, the Lamb of God] when it amended the relevant paragraph (no. 43) of the GIRM for the universal Church by adding the following clarifying sentence:
Code:
**Where it is the custom that the people remain kneeling** from the end of the Sanctus until the end of the Eucharistic Prayer, **and before Communion when the priest says Ecce Agnus Dei,** **this is laudably retained.** [See AB March 2003, p. 4 sidebar.]
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Cardinal Francis Arinze, Prefect of the CDW, responded to the question on June 5, 2003 (Prot. N. 855/03/L):
Code:
Responsum: Negative, et ad mensum [No, for this reason]. The mens [reasoning] is that the prescription of the Institutio Generalis Missalis Romani, no. 43, is intended, on the one hand, to ensure within broad limits a certain uniformity of posture within the congregation for the various parts of the celebration of Holy Mass, and on the other, to not regulate posture rigidly in such a way that those who wish to kneel or sit would no longer be free.
The BCL Newsletter continues: “In the implementation of the General Instruction of the Roman Missal, therefore,** posture should not be regulated so rigidly as to forbid individual communicants from kneeling or sitting when returning from having received Holy Communion**” (p. 26. Emphasis added.)

Earlier, the CDW had reaffirmed kneeling after the Ecce Agnus Dei [Behold, the Lamb of God] when it amended the relevant paragraph (no. 43) of the GIRM for the universal Church by adding the following clarifying sentence:
Code:
**Where it is the custom that the people remain kneeling** from the end of the Sanctus until the end of the Eucharistic Prayer, **and before Communion when the priest says Ecce Agnus Dei,** **this is laudably retained.** [See AB March 2003, p. 4 sidebar.]
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I guess I should clarify: Our priest has said: “He would prefer we stand 'til he sits, then all would change to another posture.” Generally, the pianist stops the music at that same time. So there is no compulsion one way or another, simply an expressed preference.
 
Correct. But I think the local bishop could ask that we remain standing for some time and then kneel when all have returned. It did not specify when we were free to begin kneeling only that there must be time to kneel (if desired) after communion. So there is still some confusion as to what the bishop can legitimately request of the congregation.

I know our bishop asked for us to remain standing till all have received, our priest has gone beyond this and asked us to stand until he has purified the vessels (6-8 chalises and 4 cibarium. Then he clears the altar and sits. We then kneel or sit for 2-3 minutes 'til he rises with “Let us pray”.

If that final time of silence is not observed, one would need to be permitted to kneel immediately following communion as per the dubium.

My preference would be to kneel through the purification process and the clearing of the altar, then sit with the priest. But out of respect for him, I stand then kneel. In this way I find a great separation between the liturgy of the word (standing and sitting) and the liturgy of the Eucharist (standing and kneeling… no sitting from the Sanctus to the end of Mass). I’m coming to like it.
It is true that orginally he did ask that we all remain standing until after everyone received. But that changed and we were given the option to remain standing or to kneel or sit when coming back from Communion. Everyone in our parish continued to kneel. At least we got the message in our parish. I don’t know if other parishes did or if the pastors did not make that clear to their parishioners that they did have an option when coming back from Communion.
 
MissRose73:

Which parishes do you usually attend?

I am in this diocese and go to the St. Mary’s University Parish (because I’m a college student and it’s close-by). It has kneelers!

I went to the Alma parish a couple times and I’m disappointed that they don’t 😦
 
@ zab…help, please…

I am a long-time lurker, and just registered here (finally).

I recently moved to the Seattle Archdiocese, and read the post where you shared that our new Archbishop [Sartain] did indeed make the clarification that when coming back from Communion we may choose whatever posture we want.

I would be HUGELY grateful if you help me could point me in the direction of where I can get my hands upon the documentation of that clarification (it would be of help in charitably addressing this through proper channels in my parish). I have combed the Archdiocesan website, but to no avail (so far)…

Any help at all you can provide in tracking down this statement/clarification will be appreciated!
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@ zab…help, please…

I am a long-time lurker, and just registered here (finally).

I recently moved to the Seattle Archdiocese, and read the post where you shared that our new Archbishop [Sartain] did indeed make the clarification that when coming back from Communion we may choose whatever posture we want.

I would be HUGELY grateful if you help me could point me in the direction of where I can get my hands upon the documentation of that clarification (it would be of help in charitably addressing this through proper channels in my parish). I have combed the Archdiocesan website, but to no avail (so far)…

Any help at all you can provide in tracking down this statement/clarification will be appreciated!
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Actually, it is my understanding that it was Archbishop Brunette who made the correction and acknowledged the clarification that was issued by the Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, Cardinal Arinze. Our pastor at that time had previously told us of a change that was being made- that we were to remain standing after the Agnus Dei and remain standing until we all came back from Communion. However, when it came time to make the change, we were told that we may continue to kneel or sit if we prefered when Coming back from Communion and that is what everyone at our parish has chosen to do.
Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments
5 June 2003
Prot. n. 855/03/L
Dubium: In many places, the faithful are accustomed to kneeling or sitting in personal prayer upon returning to their places after individually received Holy Communion during Mass. Is it the intention of the Missale Romanum, editio typica tertia, to forbid this practice?
Responsum: Negative, et ad mentem. The mens is that that the prescription of the Institutio Generalis Missalis Romani, no. 43, is intended, on one hand, to ensure within broad limits a certain uniformity of posture within the congregation for the various parts of the celebration of the Holy Mass, and on the other, to not regulate posture rigidly in such a way that those who wish to kneel or sit would no longer be free.
Francis Cardinal Arinze
Prefect
 
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