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Mysty101
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You are way out of line. I am not judging anyone’s soul. That subject was introduced by someone else. I said I will not speculate or judge.
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So, you are saying your interpretation supercedes the Vatican? I did not ask you to speculate. I asked you to spend your time more wisely. I gave you a good example and you attempt to spin it as you attempt to spin the norm about receiving communion.
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maryprayforme
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Are you serious? Please tell me that is not a serious response to a topic that *you *started. Well my dear, all your credibility is lost to me. Me thinks you dost protest too much.
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Mysty101
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The norm for reception of Holy Communion in the dioceses of the United States is standing. Communicants should not be denied Holy Communion because they kneel. Rather, such instances should be addressed pastorally, by providing the faithful with proper catechesis on the reasons for this norm.
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Kneeling is licit. The Vatican has said kneeling was never intended to be prohibited. Please obey all of the law, not just the parts you like.
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Mysty101
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Cite in the GIRM—the law of the liturgy.
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pnewton
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Has anyone here ever seen a communion line go down because of someone kneeling? We are so packed if one person trip, we might have an entire aisle down before it stopped.
If this has not actually happened, then can we move past an argument that doesn’t exist?
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I have posted many times the Vatican’s ruling about kneeling. You have read it. The GIRM, like all laws, has an authentic interpreter. Rome said standing was allowed with the understanding kneeling would still be permissable.
You are not the interpreter, Rome is.
I am tired of going round and round saying the same things and replying to the same assertions. I bind myself to the barque of Peter. Rome has spoken. Case closed.
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maryprayforme
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Has anyone here ever seen a communion line go down because of someone kneeling? We are so packed if one person trip, we might have an entire aisle down before it stopped.
If this has not actually happened, then can we move past an argument that doesn’t exist?
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Pnewton,
I am glad you saw the humor in that. I can’t recall tripping over anyone who kneels for Holy Communion.
If this has not actually happened, then can we move past an argument that doesn’t exist?
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Pnewton,
I am glad you saw the humor in that. I can’t recall tripping over anyone who kneels for Holy Communion.
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I feel like I am stuck in a computer loop. Please read any of my previous 10,000 responses on this inane topic.
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mtr01
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No offense intended here, but I’ve seen this mentioned many times by people, and I can’t figure out how someone doesn’t notice that the person standing in line in front of them has just knelt. Granted this has never happened to me, but I’m pretty sure I’d notice someone kneeling in front of me.
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kmktexas
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Nope, never seen it. Nor anyone trip over someone who is genuflecting before receiving which, theoretically is more likely since they are in motion. Not only that, but more people do that (genuflect) so statistically that action is more likely to cause an accident.Pnewton,
I am glad you saw the humor in that. I can’t recall tripping over anyone who kneels for Holy Communion.
What I have seen is my son drop the host when the person behind him pushed him out of the way instead of pausing for him to receive in front of Father as he had been instructed. All parties involved were standing.
Perhaps what we need is a general call for people to slow down and not be in a rush (and this includes the EMHCs and priests) to get everyone through the line. Then we can avoid all of these theoretical mishaps.
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kmktexas
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Nope, never seen it. Nor anyone trip over someone who is genuflecting before receiving which, theoretically is more likely since they are in motion. Not only that, but more people do that (genuflect) so statistically that action is more likely to cause an accident.Pnewton,
I am glad you saw the humor in that. I can’t recall tripping over anyone who kneels for Holy Communion.
What I have seen is my son drop the host when the person behind him pushed him out of the way instead of pausing for him to receive in front of Father as he had been instructed. All parties involved were standing.
Perhaps what we need is a general call for people to slow down and not be in a rush (and this includes the EMHCs and priests) to get everyone through the line. Then we can avoid all of these theoretical mishaps.
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BulldogCath
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God bless you-I feel the same exact way
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Mysty101
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Well check post #14,and as I said, my 88 year old mother would have fallen after she tripped over a genuflector, if I didn’t catch her.Pnewton,
I am glad you saw the humor in that. I can’t recall tripping over anyone who kneels for Holy Communion.
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BulldogCath
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I posted this on another string, and it really does summarize how much of the youth feel
A small part of an article from an Author with great insight who I saw referenced somewhere on another string. It is what the author states here that I think creates some of the arrogance-which is really just disgust and not arrogance.
Part One: **Modern Trappings Have Rocked the Church **
Let’s compare this unforgettable experience with late 20th century Catholic “churches” – hardly worthy of the name. We enter what is often merely a “multi-purpose building,” and what we see is clearly the replica of a conference hall. What used to be the sanctuary has now, as the modernists would say, “evolved” into a sterile stage. If you thought you could kneel down in a pew to adore the Blessed Sacrament, you are immediately woken up to reality because you realize that, at best, you could get comfortable in a chair and look at all the great banners that are attached to the walls of the building, often only repeating typically Protestant slogans. Kneelers are long history, and if you look closely, there’s nothing you could actually kneel before. You won’t find a Tabernacle, at least not a recognizable one, and definitely not one in the center of the building. Instead, you’ll see a huge “Presider’s Chair” and a small pitiful table that now serves as the, well, what some older folks would rigidly call the "altar."
But the worst is yet to come. As your eyes stream with tears when they must behold the sacrilege that has been done to the most sacred space of Catholics, you notice something completely foreign and alien to the spirit of Catholic worship. Left and right to the center, where one would normally expect the statues of Mary and Joseph or the Patron Saint of the Church, there are now two white screens on which slides are shown during Mass – sorry, during the “celebration of the Eucharistic liturgy” – in order to “enhance the presence of Christ” [sic]. As if Christ weren’t already present enough in the Tabernacle! But wait – what Tabernacle anyway? In the center of the multi-purpose building we now see a Crucifix (if even that), but the Protestant version, of course: instead of a tortured Jesus hanging on the Cross, we now have a resurrected Jesus hovering in front of it somehow. You wonder what has happened to the Bride of Christ! At this point, we remember the scarily exact warnings of the Venerable** Pope Pius XII** in 1947: “One would be straying from the straight path were he to wish the altar restored to its primitive tableform; were he to want black excluded as a color for the liturgical vestments; were he to forbid the use of sacred images and statues in Churches; were he to order the crucifix so designed that the divine Redeemer’s body shows no trace of His cruel sufferings…” (Encyclical Mediator Dei, #62).
A small part of an article from an Author with great insight who I saw referenced somewhere on another string. It is what the author states here that I think creates some of the arrogance-which is really just disgust and not arrogance.
Part One: **Modern Trappings Have Rocked the Church **
- Editor’s Note: We are proud to introduce in this issue a new contributing writer to The DAILY CATHOLIC. He will be a strong addition to the respected cadre of authors presently contributing material to this publication. So many of the post-conciliar bishops today refer to those clinging to the true Roman Catholic traditions that were in vogue for 2000 years prior to the reforms of Vatican II as ‘fossils,’ ‘dinosaurs,’ ‘old folks who will die off soon.’ We beg to differ and offer as proof the youthful wisdom and enthusiasm of the younger generation in the Traditional Insights of Mario Derksen who exemplifies the thinking of many more young men and women today who realize the new thinking of the post-conciliar church does not add up to true Catholic teaching. Thus they long for those traditions so tried and true. His insight shows great promise, optimism and hope for the future of Holy Mother Church.
Let’s compare this unforgettable experience with late 20th century Catholic “churches” – hardly worthy of the name. We enter what is often merely a “multi-purpose building,” and what we see is clearly the replica of a conference hall. What used to be the sanctuary has now, as the modernists would say, “evolved” into a sterile stage. If you thought you could kneel down in a pew to adore the Blessed Sacrament, you are immediately woken up to reality because you realize that, at best, you could get comfortable in a chair and look at all the great banners that are attached to the walls of the building, often only repeating typically Protestant slogans. Kneelers are long history, and if you look closely, there’s nothing you could actually kneel before. You won’t find a Tabernacle, at least not a recognizable one, and definitely not one in the center of the building. Instead, you’ll see a huge “Presider’s Chair” and a small pitiful table that now serves as the, well, what some older folks would rigidly call the "altar."
But the worst is yet to come. As your eyes stream with tears when they must behold the sacrilege that has been done to the most sacred space of Catholics, you notice something completely foreign and alien to the spirit of Catholic worship. Left and right to the center, where one would normally expect the statues of Mary and Joseph or the Patron Saint of the Church, there are now two white screens on which slides are shown during Mass – sorry, during the “celebration of the Eucharistic liturgy” – in order to “enhance the presence of Christ” [sic]. As if Christ weren’t already present enough in the Tabernacle! But wait – what Tabernacle anyway? In the center of the multi-purpose building we now see a Crucifix (if even that), but the Protestant version, of course: instead of a tortured Jesus hanging on the Cross, we now have a resurrected Jesus hovering in front of it somehow. You wonder what has happened to the Bride of Christ! At this point, we remember the scarily exact warnings of the Venerable** Pope Pius XII** in 1947: “One would be straying from the straight path were he to wish the altar restored to its primitive tableform; were he to want black excluded as a color for the liturgical vestments; were he to forbid the use of sacred images and statues in Churches; were he to order the crucifix so designed that the divine Redeemer’s body shows no trace of His cruel sufferings…” (Encyclical Mediator Dei, #62).
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The young author was sent to me, and his writings are concise and well thought out without the sedevacantist garbage that some traditionalist throw your way. But I am sure some would even find this tough to read, but he has some very valid points brought up by the youth of the church, as it is suprisingly the younger Catholics who want the return to traditionalism-so I would guess somewhere in the next 50-100 years the Vatican will eventually have to deal with this subject of the Mass
dailycatholic.org/issue/2002Jan/2002mdi.htm
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MariaG
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Humble yourself by kneeling? Not from where I am standing. It is quite clear that if you reside in the US, one should stand to receive communion. One cannot be denied for kneeling but should then be taught the normative way to receive in the US. Clearly all here know what the norm in the US is supposed to be standing but have decided to place themselves above the authority of the Bishops. And then try to call that being humble?
Try humbling oneself to the authority of the Church. That is the real lesson here.
Try humbling oneself to the authority of the Church. That is the real lesson here.
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