Power of free will?

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Has “free will” become a worshiped a power, worshiped like unto a god?
 
Yes, for more on that abomination see into Nietzsche and the rest of the Culture of Death.

And then pray.

Gott mit uns,
 
John_Carlton said:
Yes, for more on that abomination see into Nietzsche and the rest of the Culture of Death.

And then pray.

Gott mit uns,
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John Carlton
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Yea, but that guy fell into mental illness. I can’t imagine why. 🤷 😉

You see, there is God, and there are gods, if it were not so, God would not have said:

Ex:20:3: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6: And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Therefore what is a god, other then the Lord God. Does it necessarily have to be some statue, could it be just an image? Not all images are statues.
 
davidv said:
I have not seen any of evidence of this. What have you observed?
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David

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Could it be said that one’s god, is the power by which one seeks fulfillment in? And if this is true, then something like “Free Will”, can be a power in which a person seeks fulfillment in, which could be a god to that person. Their master.
 
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David

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Could it be said that one’s god, is the power by which one seeks fulfillment in? And if this is true, then something like “Free Will”, can be a power in which a person seeks fulfillment in, which could be a god to that person. Their master.
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This could be, but what have you observed?
 
davidv said:
This could be, but what have you observed?
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David
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My friend, if you have something you wish to say, say it. In philosophy its normally understood that one doesn’t have to be right about something, it is only seek the Truth of the matter.
 
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David
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My friend, if you have something you wish to say, say it. In philosophy its normally understood that one doesn’t have to be right about something, it is only seek the Truth of the matter.
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What I had say was dependent on an answer to the question I posed. In absence of an answer, my response to your OP is that, no, free will has not become an idol. I have seen no evidence that it has become so.
 
davidv said:
What I had say was dependent on an answer to the question I posed. In absence of an answer, my response to your OP is that, no, free will has not become an idol. I have seen no evidence that it has become so.
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David

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Well, if you haven’t seen, you haven’t seen it.
 
DPMartin said:
Has “free will” become a worshiped a power, worshiped like unto a god?
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Well, certainly our society has placed individual human freedom on a level higher than God, which is basically what Adam & Eve did. It just seems that people are bolder/less ashamed of such a disposition now than in generations past.
 
fhansen said:
Well, certainly our society has placed individual human freedom on a level higher than God, which is basically what Adam & Eve did. It just seems that people are bolder/less ashamed of such a disposition now than in generations past.
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fhansen

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Amen

To many men who believe that sanctity of life is their own choices in life, is ridiculous. For sanctity of Life is Holiness of Life and Holiness of Life is the Life God gives. Which has nothing to do with mankind’s freewill to choice what is good for himself. And if a man exercises freewill to choice what is good for himself, then he is not following Jesus. For what is good for mankind is God the Father’s Choice of the fulfillment in Christ Jesus which is Holy.

As lone as they can deny that free will is not their god they seek fulfillment in, then they expect you to believe free will is not their god they seek fulfillment in. But their actions speak differently.
 
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fhansen

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Amen

To many men who believe that sanctity of life is their own choices in life, is ridiculous. For sanctity of Life is Holiness of Life and Holiness of Life is the Life God gives. Which has nothing to do with mankind’s freewill to choice what is good for himself. And if a man exercises freewill to choice what is good for himself, then he is not following Jesus. For what is good for mankind is God the Father’s Choice of the fulfillment in Christ Jesus which is Holy.

As lone as they can deny that free will is not their god they seek fulfillment in, then they expect you to believe free will is not their god they seek fulfillment in. But their actions speak differently.
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I think this is not quite correct. The purpose of our free will is for us to give it up, so to speak, to freely choose Gods’ will over ours. This is part of what makes us holy. But even this is impossible without Gods’ grace. He draws us-our wills- into this relationship-and so this relationship, the one Adam & Eve freely gave up, is the one God wants man to freely choose again, like the Prodigal Son, sort of reversing our parents decision to stray from the Father within ourselves. It may sound sort of noble and humble to say we play no part whatsoever, and yet this is not Gods plan-He covets our participation to the extent we’re able,.with His help.
 
fhansen said:
I think this is not quite correct. The purpose of our free will is for us to give it up, so to speak, to freely choose Gods’ will over ours. This is part of what makes us holy. But even this is impossible without Gods’ grace. He draws us-our wills- into this relationship-and so this relationship, the one Adam & Eve freely gave up, is the one God wants man to freely choose again, like the Prodigal Son, sort of reversing our parents decision to stray from the Father within ourselves. It may sound sort of noble and humble to say we play no part whatsoever, and yet this is not Gods plan-He covets our participation to the extent we’re able,.with His help.
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fhansen
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On one hand I would agree in the giving-up free will, but its been my experience that it’s the desire, or expectation of fulfillment in His choice for you, that is granted. If you request fulfillment in Christ, it’s granted you, in the things of Christ. And needless to say, is only of God.

Its like this: God the Father knows what He wants in human existence, He is correct about what He wants in human existence, and what He wants in human existence is right and correct for human existence. In Jesus Christ by the Power of the Holy Spirit (God’s Presence) is the Truth the Way the Life fulfilled in what God the Father wants in human existence.

But then again, the difference here, may only be the use of terms.
 
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