Power of thoughts & water crystals

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What do you think of this:

“A guy by the name of Masaru Emoto has conducted hundreds of experiments using water from various locations and by speaking to the water samples, and then freezing it, and then examining the water crystals. He is proving that there is power in our words and in our thoughts, which are all composed of various human vibrations. All living matter is a vibration, as well as our thoughts and our words. In some of his studies he took polluted water and examined the water crystals under a special microscope. Water that is polluted has really ugly looking water crystals, while the crystals of clean water will have amazing eye catching forms.”

Links:
saltyseven.wordpress.com/2007/05/30/power-of-thoughtswords-human-vibrations-water-crystals/
spiritofmaat.com/archive/aug1/consciouswater.html
 
What do you think of this:

“A guy by the name of Masaru Emoto has conducted hundreds of experiments using water from various locations and by speaking to the water samples, and then freezing it, and then examining the water crystals. He is proving that there is power in our words and in our thoughts, which are all composed of various human vibrations. All living matter is a vibration, as well as our thoughts and our words. In some of his studies he took polluted water and examined the water crystals under a special microscope. Water that is polluted has really ugly looking water crystals, while the crystals of clean water will have amazing eye catching forms.”

Links:
saltyseven.wordpress.com/2007/05/30/power-of-thoughtswords-human-vibrations-water-crystals/
spiritofmaat.com/archive/aug1/consciouswater.html
This is new to me as well: but I see he has discussed Lourdes water.

And also, he is saying that if one concentrates on the water, it can influence the crystal.

amazon.com/Hidden-Messages-Water-Masaru-Emoto/dp/1582701148/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1209555804&sr=8-1

This book is apparently popular.

Until more is said and I haven’t read the theories nor am I informed on the subject, it doesn’t necessarily appear like a “new-agey” phenomenon.
 
This is new to me as well: but I see he has discussed Lourdes water.Until more is said and I haven’t read the theories nor am I informed on the subject, it doesn’t necessarily appear like a “new-agey” phenomenon.
nor does it appear to approach anything resembling real science other than the rather obvious observation that polluted water is dirty.
 
nor does it appear to approach anything resembling real science other than the rather obvious observation that polluted water is dirty.
Just yesterday, I happened to be on Amazon.com you know, the book place and all I did was type in “Lourdes water” and it sent me to that book, so I haven’t read this book and I am not vouching for it or anything. It is interesting how I just saw this book for the first time and then this was posted here.
 
This is something being taught from a forum/group called Powerful Intentions. Trust me on this one, don’t go there, it’s leading down the wrong path even though this dialog seems innocent enough, I know where it’s going and it’s not good. This is a foothold of the Djin, just as the Secret book it’s tied to that’s the rage of New Agers these days.
 
We begin here with it’s definition:

genie, djin, djinn (n.)

These are variant spellings of an Arabic loan word, jinni, meaning “demon” or “spirit,” as in Aladdin’s genie of the lamp. Genie is a homophone of Jeanie; djin and djinn are homophones of gin.

Where it began was with people wanting their wishes granted so they would turn to this dark force to do it. Modern day satanists follow that same path. The current fad in this regard has manifested itself through a book called “The Secret” you know, the one Oprah is promoting. There are other sources along this same tangent that came out prior to it, one of the primary ones, the source is through an individual channeling what they call spirits, but I call them something else.

This covers the “vibration” theory, this is a foot in the door aspect that once embraced, leads to that door opening up wider and leads you further ensared.

What these people don’t realize is what they are really dealing with, the Secret even goes so far as to use a Genie in it’s presentation and wording, this parellel makes my point all too clear here. I reccomend all of you to turn away from putting any further thought into this subject, it’s better not to know some things, but since this is being forced upon us in modern times, I want to spread the word to beware. These that are dooped into thinking they are following an innocent path will eventually find out there is a very high price to pay for what ever gains they think they have achieved, that is how the dark forces work, they give and they take away with interest.
 
What do you think of this:

“A guy by the name of Masaru Emoto has conducted hundreds of experiments using water from various locations and by speaking to the water samples, and then freezing it, and then examining the water crystals. He is proving that there is power in our words and in our thoughts, which are all composed of various human vibrations. All living matter is a vibration, as well as our thoughts and our words. In some of his studies he took polluted water and examined the water crystals under a special microscope. Water that is polluted has really ugly looking water crystals, while the crystals of clean water will have amazing eye catching forms.”

Links:
saltyseven.wordpress.com/2007/05/30/power-of-thoughtswords-human-vibrations-water-crystals/
spiritofmaat.com/archive/aug1/consciouswater.html
What a load of rubbish!!
 
Since I am avoiding Oprah’s book, please explain what you mean by the vibration theory.

The reason I ask is that as a teenager I was sucked in by a New Age philosophy that used a vibrational theory as its explanantion of how, eventually, when we “evolved” enough, we would be able to manipulate our environment. It all sounded very scientific and plausible. Yet, it lead down the wrong path. Very subtle, very benign. I wonder if some of these philosophies are related, even to having a common origin (with horns and tails, that is). Does this book promote that? If so, it is demonic. We must get the word out.

Young people are especially vulnerable to this type of teaching. They already think the world is their oyster. The Gospel is not being taught. At least I had the Gospel, and people praying for me to straighten out. Many young people do not have this. There is much for us to do to battle this, isn’t there? You have fired me up, Mr. Miller. :knight2:
 
What do you think of this:

“A guy by the name of Masaru Emoto has conducted hundreds of experiments using water from various locations and by speaking to the water samples, and then freezing it, and then examining the water crystals. He is proving that there is power in our words and in our thoughts, which are all composed of various human vibrations. All living matter is a vibration, as well as our thoughts and our words. In some of his studies he took polluted water and examined the water crystals under a special microscope. Water that is polluted has really ugly looking water crystals, while the crystals of clean water will have amazing eye catching forms.”
I cannot imagine *his *thoughts are that powerful if feels the need to do experiments to show that polluted water is dirty. This is not science. It is pseudoscience that sounds rather occultish to me.
 
The book is written in a manner that makes it seem like it’s not a religous text, you are introduced to metaphysics of sorts, so are led to place this in line with changing how you think about the world around you, just as plato or the rest of the renouned phylosophers did. It also quotes people like Einstein, Henry Ford, Davinci, etc. so you are thinking that it’s on the up and up.

It was only recently I was able to p(name removed by moderator)oint it’s true origins, I knew something was wrong with it after seeing the results “aftermath” as in, you are thinking that you are manifesting all these good things, only to have them ripped away with interest to boot. The initial impact makes you think it’s a good working system, but you eventually learn that it’s something entirely different then what it makes itself out to be.

They even have a reverend that’s wearing a catholic collar to boot who contributes to the writing and DVD and you are thinking with an endorsement like this, there is nothing demonic about it. The underlying theme, what it’s trying to convey is called the Law of Attraction. Where your thoughts are what you bring to you, good or bad, you are attracting all that comes your way, be it poverty or riches, it even goes so far as to say that you can be, do, or receive absolutely anything. It trys to minimalize God, reducing him to a faceless non existant non being and replacing him with what we perceive as the Universe.

My initial bone of contention to begin with and I made it quite clear to everybody I knew that was into it is that the universe is only God’s creation, it isn’t God himself, and to stop thanking the Universe, stop praying to it, stop thinking it’s anything more then his handywork, it is not an entity, yet most could not grasp that concept.

There were things in the book I refused to include, I blotted them out because they were against what I’ve been taught in the word, I’ll show a prime example of one: This is in regards to generating money. They use phrases as you are supposed to think, “I love money and money loves me”, yet in the bible, it clearly states the love of money is the root of all evil.

The phylosophy goes into the ask, believe, receive mentality, where you are not asking God but demanding from what they call the universe, Page 47: “Lisa Nichols, The first step is to ask. Make a command to the univers. Let the universe know what youwant. The universe responds to your thoughts.” They capitolize the word universe as well, it’s a subtle way of making it appear as an entity. Now, if you are asking God for anything as we do as Christians, we do so with a humble request in prayer, and we trust in God to provide or deny based upon his wisdom, yet with this book, we are demanding this to happen and are not making a request from God, we are trying to circumvent him, and we all know the true source of all things outside of God and his grace.

The next step, you are supposed to believe it’s going to happen, they literally tell you even if you have to lie to yourself, you are supposed to continue to do so. This is false belief for it’s based upon a lie and as you change your thought’s to believe in it, what ever comes you way, you are now going to give this LOA credit for, regardless if it works or not.

They get vague on the third element, receiving, because it is short lived. The person gets that car, or that house, only to find they cannot make the payments for it, in my case, I got those sales, but the clients turned out to be ruthless and cut-throat, and in the end, what ever gain I had was stripped away, for they managed to weasle their way past my filters to swindle me in the process.

The main thing that’s so wrong with it, God provides for us what we need, that stomping our feet like spoiled children to get what we want, of which is what this book teaches you to do, what we receive comes from a different source and it’s not tied to God in any way. You are led to believe that you are manipulating the universe to do your bidding, when in fact, there is something else that’s doing it for you and it’s again, not from God. You are dealing with an illusion at that point.

If you think about it, in all due reality, why would God put this system in place and hold back his blessings because you didn’t follow the proper procedure, ie. ask, believe, receive, it would seem like a legalistic, ritualistic stance on his part, yet this book insists upon following this meathod to achieve your goals.

It goes on to explain how everything you have going on around you, you caused to happen, be it good or bad, it’s all your fault. This discounts circumstance, and all things that happen out of random chance and is a crewl way of looking at your life, so, for example, a parent loses a child, some how the parent is to blame for it, I just can’t swallow that reasoning at all.

I have to break this up into two posts due to the text limits -
 
It promotes inaction, even when the situation is dire. Someone about to lose their home, or is out of work is supposed to sit back, do no legwork, pretend they have not lost their home, or they have a job, and try to work the process to make it magically appear. What happens is they end up losing their home, their job never shows up and now they are worse off then when they started. All because they believed this system was going to magically fix it all for them.

I’ve seen case after case of people so happy to get what they wanted, only to have it show up in a negative way, ie. they want money, a loved one passes away and leaves them an inheritance, they get that car, only to have it totalled months later and not being able to afford the payments.

Along the belief element, your focus is turned towards what ever you are trying to manifest, it get’s top billing and leaves little more to contemplate, much less your faith in God and his teachings. You are literally idol worshipping at that stage.

There are threads that try to debunk this book elsewhere, yet it appears I’m the only one that has actually dealt with it from the inside and proved it works, yes, I too was mislead and I see how others can be as well through it all too easily. I stand here today to warn others not to go there, and I want them to learn from my experiences, they don’t have to learn the hard way, nor do they have to just take some persons ignorant advice blindly.

I have the book here, anybody want to discuss any part of it, let me know, I don’t mind tearing it apart for you guys, I’d rather you learn of it here in this manner rather then trying to do it on your own, I’m sparing you from the heartache I faced in it’s aftermath. And I’ll add something along money and typically, how it’s accumulated in the real world.

I deal with business owners on a regular basis, the ones that are most successful have no scrupils, they will sell out their own mothers to make a buck. They have given it top priority to serve their selfish needs. They will lie, cheat and manipulate all that’s around them to accumulate it and there are no boundries or limits in their mind. If it doesn’t serve them or their purposes, they want nothing to do with it, their nature is purely narsisistic. If you want to get out of debt, live within your means, stop spending money you don’t have and stop trying to keep up with the neighbors, you don’t need a fancy house, you can rent recreational vehicles, they don’t need to be added to your collection collecting dust just to show off. You don’t need the latest and the greatest, be happy with what you already have and place God and family above these material things. There are many practical things you can do in that manner to free yourself from debt and all without winning the lottery, or in this case, manifesting more money to pay for it all. I had a client that was making $85k a year, yet he still has no money, after analyzing his situation, I found out his wife was not allowing him to live within his means, I gave him a working game plan to do so, he’s save around $50k a year for following it, yet he’s still thinking the secret is going to allow him to have more money, and to be blunt, he could double his income, she’d find a way of spending it.

The book covers relationships and health as well, and again, instead of taking a practical approach, these guys are led to believe you can just sit on your can, work the system and it all will come to you. This reminds me with the JW, where they frown upon people with serious illnesses to go to a doctor and get treated.

The bottom line, it’s bad for those that read it and think it will work, yet don’t have the ability to focus so fail, and it’s bad for people that have actually made it work, now they face the repercussions and the aftermath of it. It’s also bad for the people that have made it work and have yet to face the repercussions, for they are promoting it to others of which the devil is perfectly happy they do so, knowing full well, all that follow it, follow him and he delights especially with Christians making that plung, so I imagine, there are many that are in a state of limbo, not having faced the penalties yet, they will eventually though.
 
Along vibration theory:

What you are thinking is supposed to be what you are vibrating in your being. So, if you think something bad is going to happen, something bad will, the same as if something good is going to happen as well.

They think that you are creating your own universe through these vibrations, that you are literally playing God within it and all you have to do is think it into place, and it becomes real. A form of creation when it comes down to it. Like you are in control over the universe and it obeys your commands.
 
Sorry so many posts, I’ve been dialogging via. aim with a Catholic friend of mine, he’s the one that helped me p(name removed by moderator)oint the exact source of this book. I’m adding this quote from him which further solidifies my stance on it:

it all goes back to the garden and the lie of the serpent
“your eyes shall be opened”
“you shall be as gods”
“knowing…”
 
Thanks, I have a link that also goes into this in greater detail. If you know someone that thinks it is the way to go, be sure to show them this thread as well as this artical written on it: thebereancall.org/node/5571

One element though I can’t agree with on that artical, at no point in time did I knowingly think I was working against God, I only thought it was some set of law’s he put in place for mankinds benefit, when I took a hard look at everything, watching the results, seeing things change and not being enveloped with the word, I knew something was wrong. I did my best to evangalize all I knew that were into it to no avail. I am trying right now to get my relatives, who intriduced me to it in the first place to know what I know about it and to turn away from it and anything related to it. All I can do is warn them for now.
 
Along vibration theory:

What you are thinking is supposed to be what you are vibrating in your being. So, if you think something bad is going to happen, something bad will, the same as if something good is going to happen as well.

They think that you are creating your own universe through these vibrations, that you are literally playing God within it and all you have to do is think it into place, and it becomes real. A form of creation when it comes down to it. Like you are in control over the universe and it obeys your commands.
Thank you for all the helpful information you’ve provided. Can you please explain the difference between what you’ve posted above and just thinking positive thoughts or “looking at the bright side of life?” Obviously, if you go into a task thinking the worst, you’re more likely to run into problems than if you approach it with a positive disposition. Intuitively, I know there’s a difference, but I can’t articulate it. Can you give me some direction so that I can articulate it if I’m asked?

Thanks again and God bless you!
Dan
 
Dan, God bless you as well, we are all blessed!!!

Articulating it all, we think then it hapens, we as human beings should refrain from using it to suite our needs even if we had the ability to make change. The Lord is all I need to take care of me, this gig is about taking care of yourself and should be avoided, at least to how it goes about it…
 
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