Pray and fast for conversion of James White

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You mistakenly think that there is an earthly organization that is the one “true” church. The true church is not an organization, not a series of buildings, but the body of true believers. The true church consists of those who are regenerate; that is, it consists of those who are the true Christians. There are, however, churches that are Christian and churches that are not Christian.
But you might ask how we can tell if a church is Christian or not? The answer is simple once we understand what makes someone a Christian or not.

Therefore, we can see that if a church or denomination would deny that Jesus is God in flesh, or physically risen from the dead, then it would not be Christian. Furthermore, we could have two different churches that disagree on the non-essentials, but are still Christian since they affirm the essentials.
This is n-C rhetoric. They cannot accept the fact that once Christ founded the church, (the only thing that Christ actually founded while on earth.) He gave it the authority and guidance to carry out its mission.

N-Cs cannot accept that or their entire theology collapses because they have errantly embraced a teaching that the New Testament and the early church did not. The error that the Bible is the sole authority, something that even the Word of God does not claim.

The more I read the Bible and look at religious teaching today, the more firmly I am convinced that the Catholic Church is precisely what Christ founded, and I give praise to God for that.

As a result we now have about 90 gazillion different “Christian” churches based on a myriad of Biblical interpretations (and not on what the Bible actually says) who cannot let go of their fundamental error and embrace the truth. Those who do (by the grace of God and the leading of the Holy Spirit), become Catholics.

Pax Domini sit semper vobiscum.
 
The word “church” comes from the Greek “ekklesia” which means “gathering” or “assembly.”
More accurately “assembly”, but since you bring up ekklesia…

Look here at the Greek in Acts 9:31 ἡ μεν ουν εκκλησια καθ᾽ ὁλης της ιουδαιας και γαλιλαιας και σαμαρειας ειχεν ειρηνην οικοδομουμενη και πορευομενη τω φοβω του κυριου, και τη παρακλησει του ἁγιου πνευματος επληθυνοντο.

The bolded words translate “Catholic Church” the church universal or as most translations render it, “the church throughout all”.
 
Forum rules state that you post references when copying literature from other sites. Your explanation comes from CARM. Since you are new here we will give you a free pass this time. 😃
As if CARM’s interpretation is universally agreed and accepted on by all.:rolleyes:
 
Hello ThankfulServant

Could you show me in the Bible where the “essentials” and “non-essentials” are out lined at? Is there even an agreement between the Churches on what is essential and non-essential? Also where is the verse that says it is ok to disagree on these “non-essentials”? Providing of course there is a list of them.

God bless
You mean “non-essentials” like baptism for the remission of sins and necessary for salvation?

Just a single example of where an arbitrary compromise is made by many n-Cs in order to assert that they have some kind of unified doctrine, when in fact no such unity exists.
 
You mean “non-essentials” like baptism for the remission of sins and necessary for salvation?

Just a single example of where an arbitrary compromise is made by many n-Cs in order to assert that they have some kind of unified doctrine, when in fact no such unity exists.
Hello again CM 👋

I asked this very same question in post #94:
Hello justasking
I take it you can’t show me in the Bible where the essentials and non-essentials are outlined? Maybe you could answer my other question, do the churches agree on what all the essentials are or are not? For example, would infant Baptism be considered an essential for Lutherans? What about for Baptist?
God bless
I am shocked it went unanswered 🤷

God bless
 
First, why the large font? Do you think the larger the font the more valid your words?
Quit :crying: :crying: :crying: The font is clean and easy to read.
The first church, its growth, doctrine, and practices, were recorded for us in the New Testament.
In your opinion…but you will ignore the writings of Ignatius of Antioch and Polycarp who were friends and disciples of John the evangelist and who gave their lives for their faith, as well as the rest of Christian historical writings that give deep insight into what the early church believed. To try to read the New Testament while ignoring their writings is to leave yourself open to your own (or other modern) errant interpretations instead of insuring that you actually understand the Word of God in the context that the early church did.
Jesus, as well as His apostles, foretold that false teachers would arise, and indeed it is apparent from some of the New Testament epistles that these apostles had to fight against false teachers early on.
No contest there, but the fact is that unless you are crazy enough to allege that the early church departed from the faith from the 1st century after Christ promised to protect and guide it then that would have made Our Lord a liar. I can’t buy that…
Having a pedigree of apostolic succession or being able to trace a church’s roots back to the “first church” is nowhere in Scripture given as a test for being the true church.
No, but it certainly helps to trace the line of correct beliefs and teachings all the way back to the New Testament, and assure a correct understanding of the NT.
What is given is repeated comparisons between what a false teachers teach and what the first church taught, as recorded in Scripture. Whether a church is the “true church” or not is determined by comparing its teachings and practices to that of the New Testament church, as recorded in Scripture.
Based upon this fallacious logic, the Arian heresy would never have been answered, as well as the host of other such heresies over the life of the church so far.

Moreover… I have done this very comparison and that is one of the overarching reasons that I am Catholic today.
How do we determine whether a church is teaching correct doctrine or not? The only infallible standard that Scripture says that we have is the Bible (Isaiah 8:20; 2 Timothy 3:15-17; Matthew 5:18; John 10:35; Isaiah 40:8; 1 Peter 2:25; Galatians 1:6-9).
Applying a test from an errant theology to begin with, (since the Bible does not claim to be some kind of final authority) will only get you an errant conclusion. As it has done right there.
Tradition is a part of every church, and that tradition must be compared to God’s Word, lest it go against what is true (Mark 7:1-13).
Your implication here is that Sacred Tradition somewhere contradicts the Word of God, which is not true at all, though you might wish…
While it is true that the cults and sometimes orthodox churches twist the interpretation of Scripture to support their practices; nonetheless, Scripture, when taken in context and faithfully studied, is able to guide one to the truth.
Exactly correct…right straight to the Catholic Church. Notice here what St. Paul told Timothy.
2nd Timothy 2:15: Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.Paul nowhere says that he should study only the Bible…
The “first church” is the church that is recorded in the New Testament, especially in the Book of Acts and the Epistles of Paul.
The New Testament church is the “original church” and the “one true church.”So you reject other New Testament writings as fully inspired? And on what errant authority do you do so? My New Testament says, “16: All scripture is inspired by God…” (2nd Timothy 3)

Your post is a good example of one of the reasons that I am Catholic and why I will never return to any n-C religion…I refuse to do those mental and theological gymnastics to buy into beliefs that I have found to be unscriptural.
Pax domini sit semper vobiscum.
 
Church Militant has been here for years. His large font has become a familiar and welcome signature of his writing style. You will get used to it…and you may learn some things too! 😛
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: 👍
 
It’s actually charitable if it’s true and Rome is a false system.
In your errant opinion. You’ll be opening new threads here 'til hell freezes over (I hope) as you seek to support that bit of anti-Catholic propaganda. Just remember…one topic-one thread, but by all means…[SIGN]Bring it on!!![/SIGN]
 
Wow. So do I Understand you correctly? Any Catholic who has “faith in Christ” is fine where he / she is in your book?

But then again you’ve also decided that many of us do not have “faith in Christ”? So how do you tell?

Chuck
Yeah… I pegged him on that a while back in one of my posts and it seems to have gone unanswered…
 
What took you so long Randy? :yawn: sleep late?
Sorry. I was watching a couple of Steve Ray’s Footprints of God videos with the kids.

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Gotta train 'em up in the faith, you know.

I’ll try to be more vigilant, Kaycee. Please forgive me. :tiphat:
 
Are these good vidoes Randy?
No, their not good…

**Their GREAT!!!
**I do have one complaint though, no make that two… Steve hasn’t released a new one in the last month or so, & they are highly addictive.👍

I’d love to go on one of his tours of the Holy Land!
 
Well an uninteresting and inaccurate assertion on your part, but this doesn’t answer the question at hand.

Why is it that your so sure what the Catholic Church teaches is wrong and needs to be changed, but protestant churches can teash whatever they please and they are all just fine and dandy?

Chuck
Not part of this thread, but anyone who teaches whatever he pleases, as opposed to the word of God, is wrong.
 
Forum rules state that you post references when copying literature from other sites. Your explanation comes from CARM. Since you are new here we will give you a free pass this time. 😃
It was not my intent NOT to give credit or reference to the CARM web site.
I download, read and write a ton of material for my sermons and teachings. Although, I usually make note of the author or web site in my doc file(s) where I copied it.
I though it was something I wrote. Obviously I was mistaken, twice…it was not mine, and I did not have it noted with the appropriated author.
 
I’m familiar with the church, I grew up in Seattle. Yes, gentleness does not mean being spineless, grace under pressure is simply restraining carnality and slanerdous remarks even when things get heated, never attacking the person when trying to bring them into correction, being an example of Christ in speech and action. Arrogence, pride and puffed up ego always in my opinion point to something wrong inside.
And I don’t see those bad things in James White. Not that he’s perfect, of course. I just don’t see him as a puffed up, arrogant person. Just one who’s mightily convinced of a lot of stuff, and can talk faster, with clarity, than anyone else on the planet;).
 
Are these good vidoes Randy?
Not good.

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They’re meaty enough for you to watch over and over, entertaining enough for your KIDS to watch over and over with you, and apologetic enough to convict your Baptist next door neighbor that he needs to go to confession.

I own them all, have watched them repeatedly, and can’t wait for the next one due out in September on the Church Fathers.

Hope this helps. :tiphat:
 
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