Pray for me please; my life is a mess

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So last year I started dating a wonderful Catholic man who had just had his non-marriage found invalid. He has two children from that non-marriage, and he has custody but they live with his sister in the Philippines. We are discerning marriage, and so far everything is looking great. We’ve talked about being open to life, natural family planning, how to raise the children (existing and future), money, where to live, how to deal with extended family, and we’ve gone through some tough times together. We discussed raising the children Catholic and I’ve been investigating conversion. My boyfriend spoke to his priest, who agreed to marry us after we start marriage preparation. We even picked out engagement rings.

Then in April, his ex-wife kidnapped the children. We prayed. The ex-wife returned the kids and came to Korea to harass my boyfriend in person. She was phoning and e-mailing me for a time. I started going to Church because I just felt we weren’t going to get through this without God’s help.

Last week, my boyfriend found out what the deal is. The Philippine government will not recognize either the divorce or the annulment, since they took place outside of the Philippines. According to his government, my boyfriend is still validly married. According to the Church, he is not. Since the kids are in the Philippines, his ex-wife has the right to petition for custody to prevent them from being exposed to a father who she believes is committing adultery and planning to commit bigamy.

So now we’re back to square one. I can’t date him if he’s married, and he has to go back to the Philippines to apply for his marriage to be annulled there. His priest here says he’ll still marry us if we want to, because the Church says he’s unmarried and therefore there’s no impediment, but neither of us wants to do that. It seems sneaky. My boyfriend’s lawyer in the Philippines basically said that if it’s her word against his, he’d better make sure we’re not even in the same room together until the court hearing. She can’t prove we’re committing adultery because we’re not, but it would look bad if he were seeing me.

So now what? At this point, I still think of him as my boyfriend - but a boyfriend I can’t see for the six months or so that his lawyer says it’ll take to sort this out. My boyfriend calls me from the public phone at work on his lunch break, and that’s all I get from him. He says he still wants to marry me, but of course we can’t get engaged until this mess is sorted out. I figure I’m just going to concentrate on work and my master’s degree for the next six months, spend six months without dating, and get by with a little help from my friends. I told him I’d wait for him for six months, and then we’d see how things were going. I’m willing to wait up to a year, actually, but he says he doesn’t know if he can wait that long. What the alternative is, I don’t know.

So, why am I telling you this? I don’t know. I’d appreciate prayers and commiseration. Advice is also nice, but please don’t say you told me so. I know a lot of you did tell me so, but I still think he’s the right man, just in a bad situation.
 
I am married to a Filipina and she has told me of cases like this. You might be in for a very long road. I am praying for you.
 
Heavenly Father, be a light for Just Wondering in this time of darkness and uncertainty and sense of powerlessness. Mary pray with us. Amen. :signofcross:
 
I pray that you can keep well. You have been through the mill several times over.

Father, grant that this faithful young woman will be able concentrate on her work and on her master’s degree for the next six months, without dating but receiving a lot of support from her friends. Please help her to be able to save for their future during this time; and to write brilliantly for her Master’s thesis. Please help her to carry through this waiting time, Father.

Help her boyfriend also to remain faithful and not give up even if things take longer than six months. Let him realise how very blessed he is to have such a loving, faithful girlfriend who is worth waiting any amount of time for. Help him also to find courage to face what must be faced, without giving up.

Please keep in touch with us,

love, Trishie
 
Thank you for your prayers. Your prayers are so thoughtful and really bring me comfort. Thank you.
 
Praying for your intentions…

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen.
 
First I ask the Holy Spirit to grant me the gift of good advise. Second I am praying for you.

I am a Filipina, living in Australia. The laws of marriage is governed by the place you intend to marry and live. Aside from the basic requirements of contracting a valid marriage which is universally acceptable, the issue of whether or not the divorce decree you have obtained is acceptable and recognised depends of where you intend to marry and reside.Obtaning a Philippine annulment is a long, expensive and tiring process. If you decide to get married overseas and reside overseas, you really have no problem assuming the country recognises divorce.

The issue of custody on the other hand is a different scenario. He should have added in his divorce decree judgement awarding him custody of his children since they are looked after by his sister in the Philippines and the mother the absentee parent. Had he done this, getting his children to join you overseas would not be hassle free but with legal binding in the country you intend to reside to get his children without need of obtaining consent from the mother because of the judgement of custody awarded. If he didnt do this, go back to court who issued the divorce decree and petition the award of custody. I am assuming you are an American citizen, try obtaining a permanent residency in any asian country (Thailand is the easiest I am not sure about Korea where you are at now) with your “husband” so he becomes a permanent resident of that country and file all petition to migrate in that country for your husband then all your issues will be immaterial by virtue of the divorce decree.

Finally, if your boyfriend subsequently obtains another citizenship, it is diffifult to obtain judgement of bigamy in the Philippines since he is no longer a Philippine national and protected by the laws of his new citizenship. The worst that can happen which is rare is that he be declared persona non grata by the Philippine government.

What happens now to his children? at the age of 12, they are free to decide whose parents they want to live with ( 7 years old will suffice if you can prove that the mother has been an absentee parent and negating on her parental duties). Bear in mind that you have to include the kids in his application to migrate, the most common rule in immigration is what you do not include in your application, you exclude and bars him from petitioning them later on include them in all your applications. Or, and this is my best bet, the Lord will open doors to make everything jell his time not yours.

Take it from me, been there done… All the best to you.
 
Wow, Teresa, thank you for all the information. Permanent residency is impossible for us in Korea - I’m Canadian, so my boyfriend is going to apply for residency in Canada. He’s already applied for a work permit there, but we’ve had no response yet. We’re not expecting the papers to go through until next spring - that’s what the immigration people said. We will definitely include the kids in his immigration application based on your advice.

The oldest is turning 7 this summer, and based on their mother’s abandonment we’re hoping that will help our case. We want to get the custody worked out before he marries me - it’ll take years to get him citizenship, and in the meantime he could lose the kids due to it being considered bigamy in the Philippines. We’re not willing to risk losing the children.
First I ask the Holy Spirit to grant me the gift of good advise. Second I am praying for you.

I am a Filipina, living in Australia. The laws of marriage is governed by the place you intend to marry and live. Aside from the basic requirements of contracting a valid marriage which is universally acceptable, the issue of whether or not the divorce decree you have obtained is acceptable and recognised depends of where you intend to marry and reside.Obtaning a Philippine annulment is a long, expensive and tiring process. If you decide to get married overseas and reside overseas, you really have no problem assuming the country recognises divorce.

The issue of custody on the other hand is a different scenario. He should have added in his divorce decree judgement awarding him custody of his children since they are looked after by his sister in the Philippines and the mother the absentee parent. Had he done this, getting his children to join you overseas would not be hassle free but with legal binding in the country you intend to reside to get his children without need of obtaining consent from the mother because of the judgement of custody awarded. If he didnt do this, go back to court who issued the divorce decree and petition the award of custody. I am assuming you are an American citizen, try obtaining a permanent residency in any asian country (Thailand is the easiest I am not sure about Korea where you are at now) with your “husband” so he becomes a permanent resident of that country and file all petition to migrate in that country for your husband then all your issues will be immaterial by virtue of the divorce decree.

Finally, if your boyfriend subsequently obtains another citizenship, it is diffifult to obtain judgement of bigamy in the Philippines since he is no longer a Philippine national and protected by the laws of his new citizenship. The worst that can happen which is rare is that he be declared persona non grata by the Philippine government.

What happens now to his children? at the age of 12, they are free to decide whose parents they want to live with ( 7 years old will suffice if you can prove that the mother has been an absentee parent and negating on her parental duties). Bear in mind that you have to include the kids in his application to migrate, the most common rule in immigration is what you do not include in your application, you exclude and bars him from petitioning them later on include them in all your applications. Or, and this is my best bet, the Lord will open doors to make everything jell his time not yours.

Take it from me, been there done… All the best to you.
 
Thanks for your prayers, everyone. I’m still praying every day for this to be resolved quickly and completely. I just keep repeating to myself, “this will work out in God’s time, not mine.”
 
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Praying for your intentions:

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

God Bless
In Jesus through Mary
Steve
 
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