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I am not going to discuss individual politicians.

I left the Republican party because they hold platforms that voliate my conscience. The above referenced document, if you read the entire portion labeled “Doing Good and Avoiding Evil”, that sums it up for me. Too much to past here, but a couple of excerpts:

Similarly, human cloning, destructive research on human embryos, and other acts that
directly violate the sanctity and dignity of human life are also intrinsically evil. These must
always be opposed. Other direct assaults on innocent human life, such as genocide, torture, and
the targeting of noncombatants in acts of terror or war, can never be justified. Nor can violations
of human dignity, such as acts of racism, treating workers as mere means to an end, deliberately
subjecting workers to subhuman living conditions, treating the poor as disposable, or redefining
marriage to deny its essential meaning, ever be justified.

27. Two temptations in public life can distort the Church’s defense of human life and
dignity:
28. The first is a moral equivalence that makes no ethical distinctions between different
kinds of issues involving human life and dignity. The direct and intentional destruction of
innocent human life from the moment of conception until natural death is always wrong and is
not just one issue among many. It must always be opposed.3
29. The second is the misuse of these necessary moral distinctions as a way of dismissing
or ignoring other serious threats to human life and dignity.

The Republican party will not take a stand against " The direct and intentional destruction of
innocent human life from the moment of conception until natural death". They enshrine abortion loopholes in law, they make promises that simply pat the pro-life issues on the head. Sorry, I am not buying it anymore. In for a penny, in for a pound.
 
I have felt for awhile now that for most republican politicians, pro-life is nothing more than lip service to gain votes.
 
In 2016 I voted with the American Solidarity Party, the only party I could find which is closely aligned with Catholic principles. Some people say I threw away my vote. Not at all. I voted for what is true and good.
 
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EricF said:
I have felt for awhile now that for most republican politicians, pro-life is nothing more than lip service to gain votes.
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Do you think that for most democratic politicians , anti-life is similarly just lip service to gain votes?
 
No. I actually think they are being honest about it, as abhorrent as I believe abortion to be. That is what makes it tough for me at the polls. One party openly supports this evil, and the other party turns me off on almost every single other issue.
 
The party in question is modeled on the European Christian Democrat parties. So if you’re from Europe there’s a qood chance they’re already in you country.
 
I plan on voting in elections up to the state level and for (or against) my federal senators and House reps.

I’m fed up with presidential elections. Luckily for me I’ve got rand Paul and Thomas massie in congress. If we could ever get rid of McConnell I’d be happy.
 
Not all of them. It’s true you just can’t willy-nilly vote for anyone on the ticket but all of the ones running in my state are pro-life. They had better be because this a conservative state.
 
I’m also convinced that if voting actually changed anything it would be illegal.

The man “at the top” is probably not actually “at the top”.

People tend to laugh things like the idea of a deep state but I don’t think it’s so crazy.
 
RandomAlias said:
voted with the American Solidarity Party, the only party I
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Me too.

I know Mike Maturen personally, he’s a friend of mine.

In my heart of hearts, I honestly believed President Mike Maturen would have been exactly what our Nation needed.
 
Spyridon said:
So I’m to the point where I’m so disgusted with politicians in the US, both GOP and Democrat, that I’m seriously considering just ignoring it and putting everything in God’s hands.

Does anyone else feel so disgusted that they are planning on just sitting out in 2018 and 2020?
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I haven’t voted in the last two General Elections here because none of the candidates represented my views .

That doesn’t mean I am being undemocratic or losing my right to have my opinions heard , because there are more things to a democracy than putting an X next to someone’s name every five years or so .

I can write to my MP and other politicians expressing my views on particular issues .

I can write letters in my local newspaper expressing my views .

I can speak to my MP and local politicians personally .

So I object to those who say that in some way I am opting out by not voting . Far from it , I can be quite vocal
In ways that can be more effective than voting .
 
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F_Marturana:
used to think that. I don’t think it’s possible now.
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Yeah that’s a flight of fantasy. Not feasible or possible in reality.

It’s interesting to see the tremendous faith Phil has in the Republican party though…

He seems really convinced they’re the “good guys” and Democrats the “bad guys.” I’m not buying into that, but it’s interesting to note.
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@spyridon - I don’t have “tremendous faith” in the Republican Party. I have faith in people, not parities and I wish political parties were illegal.

However, political parties are not going anywhere & I do understand that we have a Two Party System. A third party will never work in the United States. Never has, never will.

A Two Party System all but guarantees that neither party will be perfect, because they are made up of many different kinds of people.

Personally, I fear the Republican Party is becoming too libertarian & too rural, and that the real conservatives and religious right are starting to lose control (something I greatly feared with a Trump Presidency).

However, the Republican Party still stands for subsidiarity, stands against socialism & communism, still stands for cultural conservatism, still stands for entrepreneurship, still stands against abortion & euthanasia, still supports school choice (including home schooling), supports parental rights, supports Freedom of Religion.

While the Democratic Party publicly is pro abortion, more & more pro euthanasia, does not support school choice, is against cultural conservatism, wants “Freedom of Worship” instead of Freedom of Religion, is part of the Progressive Alliance (which has a number of socialist and Marxist parties worldwide), etc.


I don’t think the Republican Party is perfect in any way what so ever. I think they have done terrible job with messaging and holding onto suburban & urban moderates. And the Republicans (on the Federal Level) too often defers to rural America while Suburban & urban American keep growing.

HOWEVER, with all of that said, the Republican Party is the ONLY party where there is a CHANCE for Christians to control. And we Catholics have a good chance of being a big part of that if we would stop putting our hate of the GOP before our love of God.

The Republican Party is NOT perfect. But if more pro-life Catholics would leave the Democratic Party, it’s NOT too late to influence the party. However, the Democratic Party will never be a Christian Party and will never be in line with Catholic teaching again.

Again: we Americans live in a Two Party System. We only have the two parties we are given. Third Parties will NEVER be viable in the United States.

God bless
 
Spyridon said:
Have you heard of the American Solidarity Party? It’s a Catholic political third party.
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I’m all for the American Solidarity Party and if we lived in a Parliamentary System, I would join it in a heart beat.

But we don’t, we live in a Two Party System.

People like to say the Two Party System is broken (and I would agree). But it’s not going to change. The United States will never change to a parliamentary system.
 
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AdamP88:
What official positions does he actually have that could be described as “intrinsically evil”.
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Lack of support to the poorest of the poor, wanting to cut the poorest of the poor off health insurance, lack of support for food stamps to the poor, lack of support for welfare to the poor.

Basically any of his policies dealing with the poor are intrinsically evil and opposed to Church teaching.
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No, those policies are not intrinsically evil. They are a matter of prudential judgement.

I can’t speak for Trump personally, but real Conservatives believe that individuals should be donating to the poor, working in soup kitchens, etc. Because real conservatives (who are typically religious) believe that personally giving to the poor is what God wants us to do. When the govt does it, we lose out on an opportunity to give to the poor.

There was a study that was done to see what kind of charities the average Republican and Democrat donates their money to (not including the millionaires). The findings were that the majority of Democrats donate their monies to colleges, arts, museums, & political action groups like planned parenthood.

Republicans typically donate to churches, other religious institutions (schools, ministries, etc), and the poor.

(if anyone can find that report, please post)

Point is: conservatives are not against the poor. We just feel that we should be personally responsible for it and that non-profits, churches & local govts do it better than the federal govt.

God Bless
 
I’m more prone to voting now that I’m back in Ohio. In NY it didn’t seem that it would make much difference.
 
TheLittleLady said:
List of third party performances in United States presidential elections - Wikipedia

“Never” say never.
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I’m sorry, but your post really supports my position. Each time there was party realignment, it was lead by Congressional members of the Party (if not the President). If you don’t have a good number congressional party members switching to a third party, you will never get the traction required to have a realignment.

Most Countries with viable third parties don’t have Plurality voting (aka winner takes all) elections. In many counties, the winner must win an actual majority, not just a plurality. In other countries, if a candidate doesn’t receive an absolute majority, there is a run off. This process makes third parties more viable.

Plurality voting - Wikipedia

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Two-party system - Wikipedia

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Also, in some multi party nations, you are literally voting for the party.

en.wikipedia.org

Proportional representation - Wikipedia

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Anyway, for a Third Party to be truly viable in the United States for the long term, it will need to be a split from one (or both) of the currently political parties with party leaders leading the way.

God bless
 
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