Pray for our POTUS and all world leaders

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phil19034 said:
Also, if you think about it… it’s very hard to be truly religious and not socially conservative.
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I completely agree regarding distributionism. Thank you for linking that article.

I think it’s actually irrational to be socially progressive and an (atheist) secular materialist.

When you think about it, a purely naturalistic approach to questions of racism, sexism, inequality, and so forth makes no guarantees or promises with regards to protections and rights.

Christians certainly do have a spotty record with regards to these matters at times, but the fact is that we hold to the belief in a God who does not favor the powerful and haughty, but rewards the humble and oppressed.

Quite a different methodology from “survival of the fittest.”
 
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QContinuum said:
This post seems like an attack on your fellow Catholic, in defense of a man who has no use for religion, except as a tool gain votes.
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It’s about electing people who deliver on their promises

QContinuum said:
Regardless, no politician is going to solve the fundamental divisions causing the decline in this country.
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Yes, yet they will still have a direct effect on policies from education and homeschooling, taxes, religious freedoms, the economy and the use of your tax payer money, affecting you and your family as citizens of this country.
QContinuum said:
You make your choices as to what you choose to believe from Mr. Trump and his party. Frankly, I don’t trust the Rs anymore than I do the Ds, which is why I voted third party.
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Yes. Third party might make one feel good bout one’s self, but Third Party is not going to be appointing judges to the Supreme Court or making any difference in the Culture Wars.
 
Really, I’m not sure how much useful info we can glean, just because so many economic factors are so different.

The modern system where few people actually work anymore at producing basic necessities and shipping is vitally important requires systems vastly different from what would work in largely agrarian societies.
 
Gab123 said:
Third party might make one feel good bout one’s self, but Third Party is not going to be appointing judges to the Supreme Court or making any difference in the Culture Wars.
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This country is being torn apart by culture warriors and SJWs. What you call making oneself feel good, I call obeying one’s conscience. And mine warned me that voting for Clinton equated to high risk of war with Russia; while voting for Trump meant civil war.

Supreme Court picks, pro-/ anti- abortion laws, etc. are wielded as weapons in such a fractured society. Because neither side respects the other, neither recognizes the other’s leader as legitimate. Authority is no longer given by the consent of the governed, so we are left with whichever power-hungry dictator wannabe (Clinton, Trump) is able to wrest enough votes to seize power.

Therefore, we are living like the Israelites in Judges:

In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes.
 
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Spyridon said:
Trumps been screwing the poor since the 1970’s, and if you can’t see it or disagree with me then I can’t help you.

Nothing I say and no example I give will convince you, because you’ve convinced yourself that Trump could not possibly hold evil views or promote evil policies with regard to the poor.
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I don’t know what gives you the impression that I love Trump so much. But really nothing he has done in his role as US president has been “intrinsically evil”. And he was much better than the alternative, the corrupt, lying, pro-abortion viper that is Hilary Clinton.

At least Trump isn’t actively trying to make abortion more widespread.
 
Spyridon said:
Monarchy is definitely more compatible with Catholicism than Democracy.
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I think one tends to get this idea because historically most of catholic literature was written before modern democracies (Scripture included). Also, because king and church were normally closely aligned. And lastly, because monarchy mostly seems to dismiss the problems of democracy altogether - although modern monarchies show otherwise.
 
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Campaign Slogan and a good way to shut down your opponents in a debate…
 
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Not voting is to let the other persons choose president. A vote not to vote IS actually a vote; to defer to the process and therefore I feel you would be required to accept any President elected as you did not exercise your right to vote.
 
There is no liberal or conservative Jesus. Jesus is Jesus. I’m tired of this nonsense from the world of politics.
 
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Not to mention his support of torture and his words during the campaign that he wanted to go “beyond water boarding”… the Catechism condemns torture as an intrinsic evil. Of course some of the Trumpites here at CAF have informed me that Trump’s definition of torture is different than that of the Church’s and thus completely moral. These individuals are Republicans first and Catholics second. It’s more subtle than the unfaithfulness of those who are Democrat first and Catholic second… but still unfaithfulness.
 
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Campaign Slogan and a good way to shut down your opponents in a debate…
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If they reinstitute dueling like it was up to 19th century we might just see that 😆
 
I’ve been feeling the same way for a while. However, it somewhat depends on who runs. While I don’t expect miracles from any of these politicians, you never know if a relative unknown candidate suddenly emerges who appears to have some good and sane ideas.
 
Trump said a whole lot of things during the campaign, as most candidates running for office do. Most of what he said is probably not worth paying too much attention to although the media foolishly scrutinizes every single word.
 
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How many would die of shock if they had read the Church teachings on capitalism, poverty, globalism, wealth inequality and consumerism? Because the Church has quite a few documents about these issues as well. And they arent favorable.
 
TheLittleLady said:
It does not take a Sacrament to be a decent human being, it only takes a spine.
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We need God’s help to do good. God may help those who do not have the sacrements in ways only known to Him. However, it takes more than human ability.
 
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QContinuum said:
This country is being torn apart by culture warriors and SJWs. What you call making oneself feel good, I call obeying one’s conscience.
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I call it If imprudence; when the vandals and barbarians are at the gate you have to go with the obvious opposition.
 
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