Pray for our POTUS and all world leaders

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Absolutely not. We have a pro life president and administration. It’s no time to sit back and be comfortable. Politics is a part of spiritual warfare for Catholics. That is why so many clergy encouraged the 54 day Rosary leading up to the presidential election.
 
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Gab123 said:
Well, for 40 years he was just a popular celebrity; now after the negative media spin he’s the worst thing since Hitler…
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I like him exactly the same as I did decades ago. I like him the same as I did when he was buddies with the Clintons. And I like him now exactly as much as I like HRC. That is to say, not very much.

Whatever his antics as a real estate mogul, and as a showman, it is his antics as President that concern me most. I don’t disapprove of everything his does; merely the amoral calculus by which he makes his decisions.

He is not like Hitler. He is much more like Mussolini, whom the CC also supported.
 
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If you rather have a polite politician who will lie to you with a smile while pushing all sorts of abominations, such as abortion on demand, activist judges on the Supreme Court; confiscation of your income, the loss of religious liberty and to top it off, participating in occult spirit cooking practices, then go ahead and stay home and don’t vote to stop it.
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And if you wish to vote for the utilitarian mercenary, and believe he won’t sell you and yours out the second it becomes more profitable to do so, likewise.

I voted for Johnson, btw. Which was stated multiple times in this thread. I doubt if you even comprehend my position at this point, as you seem detetermined to project into me a pro-Clinton position.

Please point out to me on this thread any comment of mine that makes you think that I think she is a better person than he is, or that I voted for her.
 
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But that’s only because you have the gift of faith… once someone has the faith now they are the ones required to forgive and pray for the sinner’s conversion, not be outraged by their personal sins, but rather, ratchet up your prayers; after all, at one point you had not repented and God was patient with you. We don’t want anyone to go to hell; not even your worst enemy. So again; hate the sin not the sinner. Pray for the conversion of sinners. Hillary Clinton and Obama attended church and yet we’re the biggest proponents of the Culture of Death…
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I agree HRC and Obama attended church while pushing policies opposed to morality.

Obama, especially, disappointed with the Snowden affair, and basically cemented the loss of privacy to the government. I hope his conscience calls him to reckon with that.
 
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He is much more like Mussolini, whom the CC also supported.
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Mussolini cowtowed to the Church quite a bit in order to curry its favor. He made many “Catholic” laws to make the people and the Church like him. He and Vatican signed the Lateran Treaty making the Papal States a country. He made Catholicism the state religion and gave the Church control of religion in the schools. But it was all downhill from there. Mussolini would try to shut down orthodox Catholic political parties and newspapers and the Pope wrote an encyclical for “Catholic Action” no coincidentally a name of one of the parties shut down by Mussolini.

Once Mussolini started to discriminate against Jews, the Church started to worry even more. The Pope even sent a letter to protest against the new law.

Sure, the Church worked with Mussolini at first. They didn’t know what Mussolini would become. We have the benefit of hindsight. The Church at the time didn’t. But they quickly changed course when Mussolini went off the rails.
 
Entwhistler said:
Sure, the Church worked with Mussolini at first. They didn’t know what Mussolini would become. We have the benefit of hindsight. The Church at the time didn’t. But they quickly changed course when Mussolini went off the rails.
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Better late than never.

As I said, Trump’s more similar to Mussolini than to Hitler.
 
“Mussolini and the Italian Army in occupied regions openly opposed German efforts to deport Italian Jews to Nazi concentration camps.[220] Italy’s refusal to comply with German demands of Jewish persecution influenced other countries.[220]”

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Benito Mussolini - Wikipedia

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Cruciferi said:
“Mussolini and the Italian Army in occupied regions openly opposed German efforts to deport Italian Jews to Nazi concentration camps.[220] Italy’s refusal to comply with German demands of Jewish persecution influenced other countries.[220]”
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Yes, they had their differences. They were allied in other matters, such as economic and militaristic goals.
 
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Interestingly, Mussolini got killed and Hitler allegedly escaped. Mussolini didn’t fit well with the Agenda.
 
And yet. Their fascist ideals unfortunately did not die with them.
 
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Funny how some people worry incessantly about a dead ideology like fascism, but give a pass to the far greater evil in Marxism. Go figure.
 
Easier said than done. I often feel like I’m basing my vote based on which candidate will result in the lowest body count - abortion, unjust wars, etc.
 
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Funny how some people worry incessantly about a dead ideology like fascism, but give a pass to the far greater evil in Marxism. Go figure.
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Fascism and Marxism are both the poisoned fruits of secular materialism. I’ve been critical of both, as such.

I’ll defend neither, especially as I hold to distributionism as an actually moral, theistic economic system.

Your claim seems defensive. Also, the ideals of fascism are distressingly most alive.
 
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Actually no, you haven’t. All I’ve seen you do is complain about free market economics and Fascism (which is dead).
 
Actually, I have criticized Marxist communism on this board. That you missed it is no fault of mine.
 
QContinuum said:
Fascism and Marxism are both the poisoned fruits of secular materialism. I’ve been critical of both, as such
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The trouble at this point is both have been turned from useful descriptive terms into mere insults to be levied against those who disagree.
 
As economic systems, they still serve a descriptive purpose.

As insults, I agree. Mostly by persons who have deficits in their historical knowledge.
 
This also explains much. If you didn’t notice it, something didn’t happen.

That’s the height of arrogance. Also, explains how you missed the continued presence of fascism.
 
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