Prayer and the Presence of God

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This question is for all who call themselves christian. When you pray, is there a sense of the Holy Spirit with/in/around you? Do you sense the Holy Spirit bearing witness with your Spirit that you are a child of God?
 
We are to pray whether we feel the Presence of God or not. And, we should not depend on good feelings to determine whether our prayer was “good” or not. We need to pray with commitment and faith, even if we feel nothing. That is how we gain spiritual muscle.

Pray to please God, not ourselves. If we wants to grant us a consolation then accept it, but don’t depend on it always happening.
 
This question is for all who call themselves christian. When you pray, is there a sense of the Holy Spirit with/in/around you? Do you sense the Holy Spirit bearing witness with your Spirit that you are a child of God?
Dorothy is right. We don’t necessarily have to feel emotion as we pray. We don’t have to feel that God is listening. We KNOW He’s listening. If we receive a sense of the Holy Spirit, that’s a welcome gift, but not necessary to effective prayer.
 
This question is for all who call themselves christian. When you pray, is there a sense of the Holy Spirit with/in/around you? Do you sense the Holy Spirit bearing witness with your Spirit that you are a child of God?
When I initially converted I had just a joyful bliss about me every time I prayed. However as I prayed, I was made known that I would not always feel this joy, and I shouldn’t depend on it. That if I love God, I must do the will of the father.

That was the most important part of it. Not the good feelings, but my commitment to the Truth.
 
Sometimes I can feel the presence of God, sometimes so much that my body is overwhelmed. However, most of the time I simply know he is with me, even though I don’t feel anything. And then there are times when I feel so alone and even question if He even hears or cares.

We have to accept that we will not always enjoy the mountain top experiences of faith. There will be times when we have to travel through the valleys and the deserts. It isn’t always easy, but we can trust that God is by our sides even though we may not feel His presence.
 
This question is for all who call themselves christian. When you pray, is there a sense of the Holy Spirit with/in/around you? Do you sense the Holy Spirit bearing witness with your Spirit that you are a child of God?
Why do you ask? Would you like to share your own experience? Mine is like everyone else’s: depends. Those feelings are a gift with a purpose.

My RCIA sponsor once likened it to being a baby who can’t walk. The Father picks up the child and carries it along, and the baby kicks it’s feet and waves it’s arms and feels the movement, the baby thinks they are doing it. But at some point, baby has to learn to walk, and Father puts it down. Now there’s no breeze in the face and sky above and swift movement, just big legs and being stuck in one place. It’s hard work to do it alone, with none of what we call “consolation.”

Some people never do feel a thing. I think they must be the ones most blest with faith, who simply persevere.
 
This question is for all who call themselves christian. When you pray, is there a sense of the Holy Spirit with/in/around you? Do you sense the Holy Spirit bearing witness with your Spirit that you are a child of God?
Sometimes yes, and sometimes no. When I confess, there are times when I do not feel His forgiveness, and it is then that I most appreciate the words of absolution spoken by my pastor, because it assures me His forgiveness is there. Oddly, sometimes I feel His presence most when I least expect it, in my daily life.

Jon
 
This question is for all who call themselves christian. When you pray, is there a sense of the Holy Spirit with/in/around you? Do you sense the Holy Spirit bearing witness with your Spirit that you are a child of God?
pwoodfi,

I think it is easy to confuse emotional experiences with spiritual experiences.

Sometimes there is a strong sense of the Holy Spirit when I pray. Sometimes not. There have been times when I thought God must have forgotten me; until I looked back on a situation and could see God’s hand at every turn. God may be working in powerful ways without us realizing it at the time.

Romans 8: 26Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. 27And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

I think we may or may not be aware of the intercession of the Holy Spirit.

Peace,
Anna
 
Sometimes yes, and sometimes no. When I confess, there are times when I do not feel His forgiveness, and it is then that I most appreciate the words of absolution spoken by my pastor, because it assures me His forgiveness is there. Oddly, sometimes I feel His presence most when I least expect it, in my daily life.

Jon
Yes, Jon, those words of absolution are a wonderful thing. 🙂

Anna
 
This question is for all who call themselves christian. When you pray, is there a sense of the Holy Spirit with/in/around you? Do you sense the Holy Spirit bearing witness with your Spirit that you are a child of God?
To be honest I do not feel the sense of the Holy Spirit when my cousin is dying and I am greiving, when I am sobbing over the difficulty I have with my daughter, and I do not feel the Holy Spirity around me when my friends tell me of their suffering and I comfort and grieve with them and then darn it I am reminded about what Paul says.
26Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
Then I look at what John Chrysosotom says about what Paul says.
And this he said to show the Spirit’s great concern about us, and also to instruct them not to think for certainty that those things are desirable which to man’s reasonings appear so. For since it was likely that they, when they were scourged, and driven out, and suffering grievances without number, should be seeking a respite, and ask this favor of God, and think it was advantageous to them, by no means (he says) suppose that what seem blessings to you really are so. For we need the Spirit’s aid even to do this. So feeble is man, and such a nothing by himself. For this is why he says, For we know not what we should pray for as we ought. In order that the learner might not feel any shame at his ignorance, he does not say, you know not, but, we know not. And that he did not say this merely to seem moderate, he plainly shows from other passages. For he desired in his prayers unceasingly to see Rome. Yet the time when he obtained it was not at once when he desired it. And for the thorn that was given him in the flesh 2 Corinthians 12:8, that is the dangers, he often besought God, and was entirely unsuccessful. And so was Moses, who in the Old Testament prays to see Palestine Deuteronomy 3:26, and Jeremiah when he made supplication for the Jews Jeremiah 15:1, and Abraham when he interceded for the people of Sodom. But the Spirit Itself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. This statement is not clear, owing to the cessation of many of the wonders which then used to take place. Wherefore I must needs inform you of the state of things at that time, and in this way the rest of the subject will be cleared. What therefore was the state of things then? God did in those days give to all that were baptized certain excellent gifts, and the name that these had was spirits. For the spirits of the Prophets, it says, are subject to the prophets. 1 Corinthians 14:32 And one had the gift of prophecy and foretold things to come; and another of wisdom, and taught the many; and another of healings, and cured the sick; and another of miracles, and raised the dead; another of tongues, and spoke different languages. And with all these there was also a gift of prayer, which also was called a spirit, and he that had this prayed for all the people. For since we are ignorant of much that is profitable for us and ask things that are not profitable, the gift of prayer came into some particular person of that day, and what was profitable for all the whole Church alike, he was the appointed person to ask for in behalf of all, and the instructor of the rest. Spirit then is the name that he gives here to the grace of this character, and the soul that receives the grace, and intercedes to God, and groans. For he that was counted worthy of such grace as this, standing with much compunction, and with many mental groanings falling before God, asked the things that were profitable for all. And of this the Deacon of the present day is a symbol when he offers up the prayers for the people. This then is what Paul means when he says, the Spirit itself makes intercession for us with groanings that cannot be uttered.
No, I do not sense as you say…Do you sense the Holy Spirit bearing witness with your Spirit that you are a child of God?

But even though I cannot percieve with my senses, I know with my mind that I was baptized into Christ Jesus throught the sacrament of Baptism, having recieved the spirit of adoption, and because we see what love that the Father has that he declares me to be a child of God, so I am…and in my suffering I am more than a conquerer because nothing can separate me from the love of God and in that knowing, I feel that I am a child of God and even in my deepest despair I know that my crying, my weeping, my suffering, my longing for eternal joy is turned into prayer by the Holy Spirit despite what I feel. I may feel alone, forgotten, lost, rejected but The Holy Spirit is there lifting me up and renedering my weakness into glorious prayer. My feelings have nothing to do with it.👍

I think your notions of feelings are interesting and mean something to you, but I am going to go with Paul and John Chrysostom on this one.🙂
 
This question is for all who call themselves christian. When you pray, is there a sense of the Holy Spirit with/in/around you? Do you sense the Holy Spirit bearing witness with your Spirit that you are a child of God?
As I “center down” in both private and corporate meeting, I feel enveloped in a sphere of peace and light…sometimes I feel nothing…but we don’t have to “feel” anything…scripture testifies that God listens to us…scripture testifies that sometimes the Holy Spirit prays for when we don’t know how to pray…“in the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;” Rom 8:26.

Long ago, when I was going through a very dark time in my life…I felt separated from the Presence…it seemed as though my prayers went no higher than the ceiling(to use a well-worn phrase)…a good Friend and friend visited me and asked me to take a road trip with him…he felt I needed to get out of the house…too many painful memories were dragging me to depths of despair…as we talked I told him how I had been feeling…and he said very quietly…"He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High, will abide in the shadow of the Almighty."Ps 91:1…he then went on to say…“Sometimes when God moves so close to us we enter into His shadow…it’s not that God is so far away…it’s that God is so very near.”…I have since taken great comfort in “dark times”…for it is then I believe we “abide in the shadow of the Almighty”…becasue He is so near us.
 
As I “center down” in both private and corporate meeting, I feel enveloped in a sphere of peace and light…sometimes I feel nothing…but we don’t have to “feel” anything…scripture testifies that God listens to us…scripture testifies that sometimes the Holy Spirit prays for when we don’t know how to pray…“in the same way the Spirit also helps our weakness; for we do not know how to pray as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words;” Rom 8:26.

Long ago, when I was going through a very dark time in my life…I felt separated from the Presence…it seemed as though my prayers went no higher than the ceiling(to use a well-worn phrase)…a good Friend and friend visited me and asked me to take a road trip with him…he felt I needed to get out of the house…too many painful memories were dragging me to depths of despair…as we talked I told him how I had been feeling…and he said very quietly…"He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High, will abide in the shadow of the Almighty."Ps 91:1…he then went on to say…“Sometimes when God moves so close to us we enter into His shadow…it’s not that God is so far away…it’s that God is so very near.”…I have since taken great comfort in “dark times”…for it is then I believe we “abide in the shadow of the Almighty”…becasue He is so near us.
That’s a beautiful and comforting thought. Thank you. God bless.
 
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