Prayer over the Gifts (wine)

[carthago]

During a weekday Mass with no music during the Preparation of the Gifts with a Deacon assisting and the Celebrant chooses to say the Prayer over the Gifts audibly, should the Celebrant wait to say the blessing prayer over the wine until the Deacon has finished pouring the wine into the communion chalices or may the Celebrant say the blessing once the priest’s chalice has been prepared and while the Deacon continues to pour the wine into the remaining chalices?

 

[Oneofthewomen]

If I am understanding the OP correctly, you are talking about during the offertory.

I would say that this is acceptable because at this moment, the elements are still just bread & wine, they have not yet been consecrated.

OP, how many cups are we talking about? I can’t imagine that there are so many that by the time the blessing of the bread is over, all the cups should be filled

 

[carthago]

Yes at the Offertory. At weekday, there are 4 cups in addition the Celebrant’s. The Deacon will have prepared only the Celebrant’s chalice by the time the prayer over the bread is finished. So the preparation of the four cups will take another 15-20 seconds. It is not long to wait of course. The underlying question is does the blessing prayer over the wine include the wine that is being presently being poured from the flagon or must the wine to be blessed either be already poured into the cups on the corporal or left in the flagon on the corporal. (I know the wine is to be poured into the cups prior to consecration).

 

[Gorgias]

Yes at the Offertory. At weekday, there are 4 cups in addition the Celebrant’s.

Holy cow! four chalices, plus the celebrant’s chalice, at a daily Mass?!?!?!? How many people are there in the congregation?

The underlying question is does the blessing prayer over the wine include the wine that is being presently being poured from the flagon or must the wine to be blessed either be already poured into the cups on the corporal or left in the flagon on the corporal.

The GIRM merely states, “The bread and wine are placed on the altar by the Priest to the accompaniment of the prescribed formulas.”

The Roman Missal only references “the chalice” (by which we can presume it’s referring to the celebrant’s chalice, not any _side chalices).

Therefore, it doesn’t look like anything prescribes “waiting”, per se. (I think you’re safe. The Mass is good. )

 

[carthago]

Ok, thank you. That is what I thought would be the case.

 

[FrDavid96]

During a weekday Mass with no music during the Preparation of the Gifts with a Deacon assisting and the Celebrant chooses to say the Prayer over the Gifts audibly, should the Celebrant wait to say the blessing prayer over the wine until the Deacon has finished pouring the wine into the communion chalices or may the Celebrant say the blessing once the priest’s chalice has been prepared and while the Deacon continues to pour the wine into the remaining chalices?

First of all, there is no blessing of the wine at the offertory. Therefore, there is no issue of whether or not the wine gets blessed if it is poured too late.

There is no required way of doing this.

The GIRM is written in such a way that it presumes that there will be only one chalice. Yes, other chalices and/or cups are permitted; but the rubrics themselves do not address what is done with them in relation to the principle chalice.

That means that the GIRM does not say “place the other chalices first, then say the prayer”; nor does it say “say the prayer first, then place the other chalices” nor any other combination of possibilities.

The 2 acts of saying the prayer and placing the chalice are simultaneous. They accompany each other.

When there’s more than one chalice, the celebrant simply uses his own prudential judgement as to whether he places the other vessels earlier or later and at what point the prayer is said.