Prayer - Why Bother?

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Using this logic, one could say that God is unjust because he doesn’t answer our prayers “our way.”
God does not answer prayers exactly as we ask them. But God hears all of our prayers and responds to them in His own wisdom, which is always for our good. He may not always grant our prayers, but He certainly does hear them. If you believe that if you don’t get the answer that you were hoping for in a prayer means that God is somehow unjust…well then I’ll pray for you! 😉 🙂

Peace, Mark***
 
God does not answer prayers exactly as we ask them. But God hears all of our prayers and responds to them in His own wisdom, which is always for our good. He may not always grant our prayers, but He certainly does hear them. If you believe that if you don’t get the answer that you were hoping for in a prayer means that God is somehow unjust…well then I’ll pray for you! 😉 🙂

Peace, Mark***
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God does not answer prayers exactly as we ask them. But God hears all of our prayers and responds to them in His own wisdom, which is always for our good. He may not always grant our prayers, but He certainly does hear them. If you believe that if you don’t get the answer that you were hoping for in a prayer means that God is somehow unjust…well then I’ll pray for you! 😉 🙂

Peace, Mark***
As far as I am concerned, if God does does not answer my prayer the way I wanted, then He has not answered it. What happened to “Ask and you shall receive.”? Oh, yeah. That’s contingent upon His will also so it is basically meaningless.
 
As far as I am concerned, if God does does not answer my prayer the way I wanted, then He has not answered it. What happened to “Ask and you shall receive.”? Oh, yeah. That’s contingent upon His will also so it is basically meaningless.
There are many types of prayer. Adoration, petition, thanksgiving, intercession, meditative etc. So you’ll give up praying altogether because He doesn’t answer a petition prayer your way…Wow!..and… Our Lord’s words meaningless? Geesh!..Oh, I see…Cynical Catholic

Peace, Mark
 
Some of the posts I’m reading about not persisting in prayer are not what the Catholic Faith teaches us about prayer. And I have no idea where people are learning this. In Luke 18 1-8, The Parable of the Widow and the Unjust Judge, Jesus again alludes to this;

Pray continually and never give up! God is not bound by our time. If this defenseless widow who was powerless can wear down the corrupt judge, how much more can we obtain from Almighty God who is just and merciful if we persist in all humility in fervent prayer?

Peace, Mark
Yes, the Scripture says “Pray without ceasing”. Life is prayer and prayer is life. People must understand that it is not just rote recitation, and expect a quid pro quo. Prayer is communion with our most Holy Father.
 
There is a certain mystery about prayer. Why does God ask us to pray and how does He use our prayers?

I think we all ponder those question. But think about this …

Do we serve a God who is nothing more than Santa Claus? Do we really expect Him to wait to hear our list of desires and then jump to fulfill them just as we want, when we want?

What kind of god is that? We serve Him.

To me, real prayer is conversation with God. Yes it may be that I am petitioning or placing my needs before Him. But prayer is also listening, seeking His guidance and counsel and then following in faith, remembering that He sees the whole picture and we do not.

Consider a parent taking her son to the dentist; the child howls with fear and pain and does not want to go but the parent sees the bigger picture and that this is a benefit for her child. Or, have you ever prayed for something and years later realized that you are really glad that prayer was not answered the way you expected or demanded? I sure have!

I have found that often, prayer doesn’t noticeably change my circumstances (at least not the way I wanted nor expected) but prayer nearly always changes me … my perception, my desire, my expectation. I think it’s one of the many ways God shapes us into His image; I don’t want a god in my image!

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One more thing … St Teresa of Avila, in her writing about the interior castle, was very clear that the very beginning of our spiritual growth is simple prayer; this cannot be bypassed nor ignored. Growing in spiritual maturity begins with prayer. 👍
 
Ok, granted it must be somewhat drier than usual, but the article says farmers are expecting a 20% reduction in crop yield. That’s not exactly a wipe-out. Just this past May the media was screaming “too much rain” and “incessant rain”. Frankly that’s just the way farming goes in the Midwest. Some years are bumper crops, and other years are lower yield but there is almost never a regional wipe-out. Is anyone about to starve? I think not. I would not expect God to mitigate this temporary dry period when it can obviously benefit farmers in learning patience.
 
As far as I am concerned, if God does does not answer my prayer the way I wanted, then He has not answered it. What happened to “Ask and you shall receive.”? Oh, yeah. That’s contingent upon His will also so it is basically meaningless.
Well, let me see here.

Suppose you pray, for example, for something ‘good’ to happen (good by your limited, human understanding). Suppose you pray for the drought in the Midwest to be over NOW.

But suppose that God’s plan for the whole universe involved the drought continuing for another, oh let’s say 6 months, because during that 6 months time, the situation would cause not just other areas in the U.S. but other countries to start worrying about this happening to them, and they would start making all kinds of preparations, and their scientists would go into ‘hyperdrive’ to develop all kinds of new technologies to help crops in this kind of situation. Those technologies would then in the coming decades be used to bring all kinds of desert areas into productive crop land.

And as for those suffering ‘now’; well, God doesn’t forget them either. During this 6 months there is time for others to reach out and help these people --and you know, we’ve seen in the US at least that there is much help that goes out to victims in disasters. God works through us as we help others.

But if the drought ended when you arbitrarily said "Now’, as so often happens, the situation just would not have been ‘enough’ to bring it into prominence. Therefore, the scientists don’t go on to develop those technologies, or don’t do it as quickly, and hundreds of thousands go hungry or even die, who would have been fed had the drought continued on "God’s time’.

We don’t see the whole picture. He does. We don’t consider that the temporary pain of one, several, or many can and does lead to healing for others. . .and thus, that the pain was not ‘in vain’. I guess many have lost sight of the idea of altruism. Oh, we bleat about ‘suffering’ and wail about hurt done to others, but we aren’t really open to doing anything about it unless it meets OUR idea of what should be done. And when things don’t happen exactly as we want, we say, “See, God doesn’t hear us”. . .but are we really PRAYING?

Aren’t we, in such cases of demanding things ‘our way’ rather just TELLING GOD WHAT TO DO? Are we really asking, or are we insisting? Are we listening to Him and perhaps getting some understanding, or we are sticking our fingers in our ears as we keep screaming, “Give it to me!”?

I believe that by demanding God give us ‘our way’ we aren’t really praying at all. Prayer is a communication between TWO beings, and adamant insistence by the ONE person to have it all his/her way and not trying to hear the other person isn’t prayer.
 
As far as I am concerned, if God does does not answer my prayer the way I wanted, then He has not answered it. What happened to “Ask and you shall receive.”? Oh, yeah. That’s contingent upon His will also so it is basically meaningless.
I spent a good part of ten years begging, begging God to bless me with a child with my first husband. Not having children broke my heart. It became an obsession. All I did and thought of was babies, babies, babies. Going through the trials of infertility and multiple miscarriages tormented me, matured me and made me ultimately a stronger Christian, and sadly, ended my first marriage. However. Soon after those sufferings were over, I met my current husband, a devout Catholic who taught me what faith meant, how to truly give my life and worries over to God. Almost immediately we were blessed with a healthy pregnancy. I KNOW this was God’s will and his plan. If he had just acquiesced to my begging fifteen years ago, well, I hate to imagine the state of my life and my salvation right now. In reality, I did ask and I did receive, it just took a few years! You must trust God even when it hurts, even when it doesn’t make sense. Praying for you, lost sheep.
 
By what criteria do you determine “God says no.” If you interpret the prayer not being instantly answered as a “no” then you are putting God on your own timetable.
I think my 12 years of underemployment is clear beyond any reasonable doubt that the answer is “NO” I’m not asking for instant. I can’t even get a response in a reasonable time. The answer is obviously “no”

God is infinite and can take a thousand years to answer a prayer if he wants. If he does, the answer is NO due to the timeline.

We are finite creatures and are limited by Time. If God doesn’t answer in time, the answer is NO.

I can’t wait a thousand years to find a job.
 
But suppose that God’s plan for the whole universe involved the drought continuing for another, oh let’s say 6 months, because during that 6 months time, the situation would cause not just other areas in the U.S. but other countries to start worrying about this happening to them, and they would start making all kinds of preparations, and their scientists would go into ‘hyperdrive’ to develop all kinds of new technologies to help crops in this kind of situation. Those technologies would then in the coming decades be used to bring all kinds of desert areas into productive crop land.
We suffer so Dexter in his laboratory can come up with new ideas?
And as for those suffering ‘now’; well, God doesn’t forget them either. During this 6 months there is time for others to reach out and help these people --and you know, we’ve seen in the US at least that there is much help that goes out to victims in disasters. God works through us as we help others.
Unfortunately, that help is only temporary. Places such as New Jersey still haven’t recovered and neither has New Orleans. I trust in favors and gold much more than I do in altruism. Also, some people tend to depend on other people to help them too much instead of helping themselves.
But if the drought ended when you arbitrarily said "Now’, as so often happens, the situation just would not have been ‘enough’ to bring it into prominence. Therefore, the scientists don’t go on to develop those technologies, or don’t do it as quickly, and hundreds of thousands go hungry or even die, who would have been fed had the drought continued on "God’s time’.
So, instead of a light bulb going off in someone’s head, we need a literally blazing sun for several months?
We don’t see the whole picture. He does. We don’t consider that the temporary pain of one, several, or many can and does lead to healing for others. . .and thus, that the pain was not ‘in vain’. I guess many have lost sight of the idea of altruism. Oh, we bleat about ‘suffering’ and wail about hurt done to others, but we aren’t really open to doing anything about it unless it meets OUR idea of what should be done. And when things don’t happen exactly as we want, we say, “See, God doesn’t hear us”. . .but are we really PRAYING?
Maybe because it happens too often that people worry about the next disaster, recession, drought, etc.
Aren’t we, in such cases of demanding things ‘our way’ rather just TELLING GOD WHAT TO DO? Are we really asking, or are we insisting? Are we listening to Him and perhaps getting some understanding, or we are sticking our fingers in our ears as we keep screaming, “Give it to me!”?
I hear a lot of prayers with the word “please” used numerous times.
I believe that by demanding God give us ‘our way’ we aren’t really praying at all. Prayer is a communication between TWO beings, and adamant insistence by the ONE person to have it all his/her way and not trying to hear the other person isn’t prayer.
So, when will we hear why from God? People usually provide an explanation for why they’re praying, “I need a job to feed my family,” etc. We never get one from Him. Just a “trust in Him” or “we don’t see the big picture.” That may work for some people, but not me. I want to know what is going to happen and why. I don’t want faith like a child as my childhood was full of fear. I want understanding. We’re supposed to be “heirs.” Royal heirs used given an army or a territory to govern, then brought into the affairs of the nation they would eventually rule. There was communication there. Here, all we have is old communications and our advisors are as lost as we are. In days past, we had prophets. Yes, we didn’t always listen to them, but at least we knew God was speaking. Now, we’re blind and lost despite people claiming God has spoken to them.
 
Are we listening to Him and perhaps getting some understanding,
If God says no and does not want to give understanding, or doesn’t bother talking in way shape or form…then what?

Prayer is supposed to be a conversation (two way street) between a loving God and His creature. Many times it is not. So it is not really prayer but a monologue.
 
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If God says no and does not want to give understanding, or doesn’t bother talking in way shape or form…then what?

Prayer is supposed to be a conversation (two way street) between a loving God and His creature. Many times it is not. So it is not really prayer but a monologue.
It usually is the one praying who never listens.
 
And if the one is listening but gets no message because God is silent…

Remember, Mother Theresa got 50 years of this…
At least, she got a response several times. The rest of us get a leave a message after the beep.
 
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And if the one is listening but gets no message because God is silent…

Remember, Mother Theresa got 50 years of this…
Nah, it’s just that you want a particular answer. Any other kind of answer is, well, “silence”.

Fifty years of silence? Nope, it’s fifty years of answers all the time - read the different records and anecdotes of how much her faith has spread her apostolate around the world. The particular kind of answer she was looking for, however, took quite a while.

LOL, it’s only silence if you do not get what you want.
 
BobCatholic: Do you believe in praising God in all circumstances, and having a joy in the Lord at all times?
 
We don’t consider that the temporary pain of one, several, or many can and does lead to healing for others.
OK. Right now I am currently unemployed and have been since last December. I have been praying for a new job but so far my prayers have fallen on deaf ears (and don’t say they hasn’t).

Please explain to me how my being unemployed is making the world a better place.
 
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