Why are you trying to compare us to the Jews? This isn’t the playground where we throw a tantrum from being told to do something because Johnny doesn’t “hafta.”
Ain’t gonna happen. Pope Benedict XVI is a wonderful Catholic Christian. He would never accept some of the views projected by some self-labeled “trads” as he is a champion against relativism and more often than not, many “trads” seem to possess relativist qualities.
How? I found it to be the other way around. I’m not saying that everybody non-trad is a relativist, but I fail to see how a trad would possess relativist qualities.
What prayer is that?
First of all, its not inflammatory. Second of all, yes the Pope has the authority to make such a change. That is not the issue. The question is whether it’s prudent or not, since the Motu Propio took effect only four months ago. Second, why should what Catholics pray be changed at the whim of a secular and somewhat atheistic sub-set of Jews? I don’t know too many Conservative and Orthodox Jews who are offended. It’s only the ultra-liberal, secular type, who most often that not, don’t even go to synagogue. Third, this would completely destroy any foreseable change with restoration with the SSPX. So, good for the Pope? Absolutely nothing good can come out of this, but plenty of bad can come out of it. Whatever “tweak” he makes is going to do no good. Traditional Catholics will be upset because of it, and in the end, the Jews who are currently upset will probably still be upset, as there is a good chance it will still mention that Jews need to convert. Either way: nobody wins, everybody loses. I pray that the Pope isn’t that shortsighted.
I wonder what parts of the prayer are deemed viscerally offensive.
This is a prayer in Latin, so let’s look at what the prayer actually says.
It is only the English word “perfidious” which changed in meaning over time. The Latin word “perfides” means exactly what it always has, without faith.
Orthodox Jewish males have a prayer where they bless God that He has not made them a woman, a slave or a goy (Gentile).
I know Catholics who definitely consider themselves “trads” who routinely ignore what the Church actually directions in favor of what they feel is “better.” This is certainly in no way unique to “trads” – no way, but around here variance from what the Church actually directs in terms of liturgical matters most often seems to come from people who consider themselves to be “trads.”How? I found it to be the other way around. I’m not saying that everybody non-trad is a relativist, but I fail to see how a trad would possess relativist qualities.
Simply put the prayers can be re-formulated without loss of strength or efficacy. They’ll just no longer be offensive. The change will be made by the Church and not by Jews – of any sort.
Indeed. I thought part of the so-called “trad” mindset was not pandering to the modernist attitude of personal opinion!
Are you serious? I will attend Mass tomorrow and the “trads” will do or try to do a number of things that are not allowed by the Church. All because they choose to follow their personal opinions rather than the Church.Indeed. I thought part of the so-called “trad” mindset was not pandering to the modernist attitude of personal opinion!
Now you are making things up. That didn’t really happen now did it.?
I think we would all like some clarification or examples of this if you would provide some. Throwing out blanket statements on this forum really isn’t the best way to advance your position…