Prayers to Judas

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In one of the Near Death Experience books, a young woman who attempts suicide claims that she was shown someone whom she believed to be Judas, isolated in a dark room, as though he had achieved the ultimate ambition of suicides, aloneness.

I wonder if that is what Hell will be like, though. I always envisioned it as a Bedlam-like place of self-aggrandizing damned, deprived of grace, so that all that is left of each individual is a faithless, profoundly selfish animal, dedicated to preying upon his fellow damned.

I can see where someone with an extremely keen sense of his own sinfulness might feel a kinship with Judas.

If you’re going to pray “to” Judas, also pray to another, St. Peter, who committed a sin not too different from that of Judas when he denied Christ. Peter knew how to say, “I’m sorry.” Pray for discernment on Judas, I think.

God always answers prayers.
 
I struggled with a similar problem. I prayed a Rosary for the one Mary has enmity with. For the next few weeks after this prayer I was under heavy, intense and deeply destructive spiritual attack. I talked to my priest and he asked why would I want to do that. 🤷 I think I felt sorry for the one that Mary has enmity with - ever since his rebellion he has been in a nonstop war against God, which must be painful, exhaustive, futile and may lead to a horrible end - yet still he persists. Repentance is also possible for any soul - if you look into the Fatima prophecies, some came true, some did not. Someone asked Mary about this and she said something along the lines of prophecies are warnings, they do not have to come true. See Jonah and Ninevah prophecy. So it is maybe conceivable that Revelations may not come true in the way that we expect as Jerome himself noted litteralchristianlibrary.wetpaint.com/page/Jonah+Chapter+3 I thought that perhaps the “O My Jesus, forgive us our sins. Save all souls from hell, especially those most in need of thy mercy” from Fatima might be a coded way for Mary to pray for her enemy. After all, doesn’t the Bible teach us, “love your enemies. Pray for those who persecute you.” Well, who is really persecuting me - the guy down the street or the one that Mary has enmity with. Isn’t Mary the greatest saint and the Rosary able to resolve any problem? So she maybe she is better able to secure mercy for hers than Moses secured for the Israelites, Jonah for the Ninevites, but Abraham couldn’t for Sodom and Gomorrah. I also prayed for God to have mercy on himself since all the recent apparitions seem to depict him as suffering - how about we ALL stop suffering including God :cool:

However, I don’t want to do that again, not necessarily for the spiritual attack since I gained great graces and PROFOUND miracles in my life from overcoming it although I did experience humiliation and suffering as a result. No, the reason why not is, along with the fact that my current confessor seems disapproving is it might be prideful I often lean towards an incorrect interpretation of love, as tolerance of everything and lack of suffering. But love may also fairness and merit. Am I happy when someone close to me backstabs me and betrays me? No, I am deeply hurt and offended, it weakens my ability to trust and love others in the very long-term. Am I happier to love a person who beats me or happier to love one who sends me roses on Valentine’s Day. So why should I think of myself as MORE merciful than God who created mercy, subtly try to outdo him in mercy by directing my life and prayers not to - trying to console Jesus for his suffering or be a living sacrifice or grow in righeousness as was ASKED - but to direct my attention in the opposite direction.

My favorite Cardinal wrote that just as there is a communion of saints, whose merits help each other up, there is a communion of sin, every single sin committed drags the world down. familyland.org/content/Content.aspx?CategoryID=553 When you pray to Judas, you are meditating on him and inviting his spirit into your life and into the world, just like when you pray to Mary, you meditate on her and invite her spirit into her life and into the world. Are you sure that you want God to honor your daily requests, as he honored the requests of Job? St. Mary Faustina found out that when she thought about Halloween, the one Mary has enmity appeared and she couldn’t stop him because “he had a right to be there.” So, what are you going to do if your prayers are answered and Judas’ spirit comes into your life and in a deep, profound, tricky, and subtle way? It might be twice the struggle not to imitate his life than it would have been if you hadn’t spent all that time praying that it would come. Maybe Judas will eventually get into Heaven, but I once read an exorcism where the evil spirit stated that he had been transformed into a demon in the present. Who knows - can’t trust those lying spirits but maybe The Fear of the Lord is the first stage of wisdom."Psalm 111:10) In the Bible, Satan asked Jesus to sift Peter as wheat and Jesus said No. What might Jesus say in the case of you given your daily prayers :mad: Maybe we should stick with the “save all souls” prayer if we ever have the temptation to side with the souls against Mary and Jesus. Maybe to save sinners we should focus on attaining righteousness first. "The prayer of a righteous man attains much."James 5:16"Never tempt the Lord your God.Luke 4:12

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *

Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse. Come Holy Spirit, come by means of the powerful intercession of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, your well beloved spouse.

For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! For the sake of his sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world!

O Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee!
Sorrowful and Immaculate Heart of Mary, pray for us!

*Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with Thee. Blessed art Thou among women and blessed is the fruit of Thy womb, Jesus. Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death. Amen. *
 
Epistemes:

I don’t think so, but your propensity to focus is probably not spiritually healthy. Why not pray to an Apostle that you know absolutely to have Jesus’s friendship.? James and Peter for instance? St. Joseph is always welcoming and eager. 👍

Just a couple of notes. Judas’ Apostolic credentials were never realized, as he did not partake of the Eucharist at the last supper, nor was he properly initiated into the Faith at Pentecost, so he is not a Saint. If this was deliberate and we know it is, what does that tell you?

You could pray for Judas, this way if he has found friendship with God(purgatorial necessities complete), he can intercede by returning the favor, otherwise your prayers will credit him if that’s still possible. But I wouldn’t make it an obsession. If it is ask yourself why, and if you don’t have a clear answer, change course.

Andy
 
Although the Church does not name anyone in Hell it is frankly pretty irrational for anyone to claim Judas probably repented and is now in Heaven.
Jesus own words condemns Judas very strongly and so, without actually knowing, it seems clear he is in Hell.
 
Although the Church does not name anyone in Hell it is frankly pretty irrational for anyone to claim Judas probably repented and is now in Heaven.
Jesus own words condemns Judas very strongly and so, without actually knowing, it seems clear he is in Hell.
Agree. Until we have an absolute certainty, I feel we need to accord the same hope in charity to him as we would to others.

Andy
 
My two cents:
We may not know for certain whether Judas is in Hell, but we also aren’t definitely sure that he had actually repented and is in Heaven either (there’s like a 50-50 chance, or perhaps even a 60-40), so we shouldn’t assume too quickly that just because we don’t know for certain that Judas is in this place, he is automatically in the other.
 
Agree. Until we have an absolute certainty, I feel we need to accord the same hope in charity to him as we would to others.

Andy
Normally I would agree with that statement but in this case I don’t. As an earlier poster quoted Jesus own words really condemns Judas. I don’t think he would have spoken these words publicly if he knew (being God) that Judas would repent and be saved.

Matt 26:24

“The Son of Man indeed goes, as it is written of him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed. It would be better for that man if he had never been born.”
 
In spiritual life there are often hidden meanings behind various things. For example Jonathan, John the Baptist, the beloved John, and St. John of the Cross.

If you persist in feeling sympathy with Judas, please then read the Gospel of Jude - meant specifially to correct the errors that people who feel sympathy with Jude may fall into:
usccb.org/nab/bible/jude/jude.htm

Also, consider reading the letters of Peter, very similar to Jude as Peter always struggled to stay faithful to Christ despite his great love for Christ. Judas wanted power. Peter received this power for staying faithful to Christ. Yet, he still kept on slipping over and over, even after the Resurrection had happened. Saints are sinners who keep on getting up in 100% Surrender to the Lord.
1 Peter usccb.org/nab/bible/#1peter

2 Peter usccb.org/nab/bible/#1peter

**You are on a very dangerous path Epistemes and you have been warned! ** :mad:
 
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A gentle correction on what is necessary to be a Christian
I know that some non-Catholic Christians say “It’s not about faith/religion, it’s about your relationship with Jesus.”
I would like to show, in as gentle a way as possible, how this is not so correct, using the light of the gospel.
Jesus had twelve Apostles, and a number of disciples. He had some female disciples, too, which was considered countercultural in that time. As the gospel relates, his Apostles had a very hard time understanding His words, while His enemies knew exactly what He was talking about. On the night of Passover, He was betrayed by one of His Apostles, Judas. Another Apostle, Peter, denied Him three times, saying He didn’t know the Lord. (Remember what Jesus taught his disciples? “He who denies Me, I will deny before My Father.” My paraphrase).
Judas, after betraying Jesus, repented of what he had done. Though he was a thief - he stole money - he was angry at himself for what he had done: handing God over to mere mortals to be killed! But the apostle trembled before God’s Justice. He could not believe God would give him forgiveness for killing His own Son. So he committed suicide, hanging himself by a rope, and his guts spilled out. Because he had committed the unforgiveable sin, he went to hell.
Peter, after denying Jesus, repented of what he had done. Though he was a sinner - as he himself admitted when God called him - he was deeply saddened that he had boasted of his righteousness at the Passover meal and had been humiliated, and that he, in the height of righteousness, had denied the Lord not once but three times. By all accounts, he should have despaired as Judas had, yet the Lord showed him mercy, turning to look at him as He was taken away to be crucified, and Peter, griefed, began to weep over his sins.
Both Apostles, along with all the Apostles, were very close to the Lord. Judas had to be very close, because he was able to seal from Jesus’ money bag, the money which He used to give to the poor. And Peter was very close to the Lord because Jesus had appointed him the leader of His followers.
Now, if Judas had gone to hell, then how can some say that “it’s not about faith/religion, it’s about your relationship with Jesus.” The gospel clearly shows this is not true. By contrast, what is shown what is necessary in life and in order to attain eternal life is love. “He who obeys My Commandments loves Me.” And to the question of what was necessary to attain eternal life, Jesus replied that it was necessary to love God and to love one another, citing the two most important Commandments in Judaisim.
Now, if some non-Catholic Christians said, “It’s not about faith/religion, it’s about how you relate to Jesus,” that would be correct. Because God became man so that man might become like God, it is how we relate to - are like - God that counts in the world. “Be holy, just as your Father in Heaven is holy.”
 
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