Praying for and Discussing Peace, Unity, and Oneness

[Zekariya]

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The patronising and demeaning attitude might be, classifying categorically certain practices as ’ right ’ / Eastern and 'orthodox ’ , only fit for such and such , denying history such as how the Stations of The Cross devotion came to be , from the bl.Mother herself etc . and allowing such attitudes to contaminate other areas as well , to some extent , may be from having taken in too much of what the term orthodox means , which ,
in directly could be telling the other Churches that they are not !

And even as of The East , we have difft. backgrounds and related roles ,also related to less intrusions from powers hostile to the faith itself too ; if incapable of listening to other’s efforts to share such views with respect , without efforts at ( ? familiar ) intimidation tactics , please refrain !

Since it seems that you did not read my whole post i repeat:

The Rosary and the Stations of the Cross are wonderful Western devotions.
The Jesus Prayer and the Akathist Hymn to the Mother of God are wonderful Eastern devotions.

Our Eastern devotions are just as powerful and important as the Western ones. Our Eastern Churches are just as Catholic as the Western ones. Our Eastern traditions are just as valid as the Western ones.

And, many of our Eastern devotions came from private revelations just like the Western ones.

 

[Josephene]

Any evidence for that (that the Stations came from the Theotokos)?

srmarie-lorraine.blogspot.com/2011/09/via-crucis-at-marys-house.html - well known pilgrimage center , interesting narrative on the discovery of the place , God bringing to light, hidden things ( possibly in accordance with the needs of the times ) and closely connected with the Dogma of Assumption .

God bless !

 

[Wandile]

What is this thread about?

 

[Zekariya]

What is this thread about?

This thread appears to be about how Eastern Catholics are prideful. It also is about how we Eastern Catholics should be practicing the latinizations that we once had because the Blessed Virgin gave Latin Catholics those Western devotions but, “sadly,” we Eastern Catholics removed those powerful devotions. Quite simply, this thread is Latin Church supremacy.

 

[Wandile]

This thread appears to be about how Eastern Catholics are prideful. It also is about how we Eastern Catholics should be practicing the latinizations that we once had because the Blessed Virgin gave Latin Catholics those Western devotions but, “sadly,” we Eastern Catholics removed those powerful devotions. Quite simply, this thread is Latin Church supremacy.

I’m a Latin and I fully agree with eastern churches Removing Latinizations as this was the formal decree of the Catholic Church… That our eastern brethren should return to their liturgical and spiritual roots.

 

[Zekariya]

I’m a Latin and I fully agree with eastern churches Removing Latinizations as this was the formal decree of the Catholic Church… That our eastern brethren should return to their liturgical and spiritual roots.

 

[theistgal]

srmarie-lorraine.blogspot.com/2011/09/via-crucis-at-marys-house.html - well known pilgrimage center , interesting narrative on the discovery of the place , God bringing to light, hidden things ( possibly in accordance with the needs of the times ) and closely connected with the Dogma of Assumption .

God bless !

“Tradition asserts that the Blessed Virgin used to visit daily the scenes of Christ’s Passion and St. Jerome speaks of the crowds of pilgrims from all countries who used to visit the holy places in his day. There is, however, no direct evidence as to the existence of any set form of the devotion at that early date, and it is noteworthy that St. Sylvia (c. 380) says nothing about it in her “Peregrinatio ad loca sancta”, although she describes minutely every other religious exercise that she saw practised there.” - Catholic Encyclopedia

In other words, it is a very old and long-standing devotion with much to recommend it; but it is very much a Western tradition. Thus, like the Rosary, Eastern Catholics may or may not practice it, as they wish. It is not Tradition with a capital T, but tradition with a lower-case t.

 

[Josephene]

I’m a Latin and I fully agree with eastern churches Removing Latinizations as this was the formal decree of the Catholic Church… That our eastern brethren should return to their liturgical and spiritual roots.

qadishat.com/2013/10/pact-of-umar.html

Just that , in all such energy/ focus and related mindsets , on efforts to remove so called latinisations , esentials of seeing the past and its ongoing impact such as the above , might be getting missed ,thus keeping us blind as to what led to the large scale problems and how to overcome such , without letting such continue to be even the damaged models for others .

The Holy Father calls himself , the minister of unity and The Spirit also comes to ample aid , to help the whole Church , to recognise and accept same ,to lead her where She is meant to be , except for the -

'Umarisations ’ - a term , to summarise much and
to be a balancing counter term for that other one , that gets overused !

and the related fears that linger , to even obscure and confuse as what the real roots are , often, even leading to the subtle antipathy or even scorn towards truth that gets
'umarred ’ away , as ‘Latinisation’ , thus robbing those of what such is meant to do .

Seems the Bl.Mother wants us to look at these matters , with the hearts and eyes of children , loving with grateful hearts what She and The Church bestows , to free us , from the serpentine lies and holds , that we get up and away , from the lap of the stepmotherly - Ummas !

Peace !

 

[theistgal]

qadishat.com/2013/10/pact-of-umar.html

Just that , in all such energy/ focus and related mindsets , on efforts to remove so called latinisations , esentials of seeing the past and its ongoing impact such as the above , might be getting missed ,thus keeping us blind as to what led to the large scale problems and how to overcome such , without letting such continue to be even the damaged models for others .

The Holy Father calls himself , the minister of unity and The Spirit also comes to ample aid , to help the whole Church , to recognise and accept same ,to lead her where She is meant to be , except for the -

'Umarisations ’ - a term , to summarise much and
to be a balancing counter term for that other one , that gets overused !

and the related fears that linger , to even obscure and confuse as what the real roots are , often, even leading to the subtle antipathy or even scorn towards truth that gets
'umarred ’ away , as ‘Latinisation’ , thus robbing those of what such is meant to do .

Seems the Bl.Mother wants us to look at these matters , with the hearts and eyes of children , loving with grateful hearts what She and The Church bestows , to free us , from the serpentine lies and holds , that we get up and away , from the lap of the stepmotherly - Ummas !

Peace !

Whether you like it or not, Josephene, the Holy Father has called US (Eastern Catholics) to remove the Latinizations and rediscover our own traditions. You can throw your unapproved apparitions’ threats at us all you like; we’re sticking with the Pope.

 

[Josephene]

Whether you like it or not, Josephene, the Holy Father has called US (Eastern Catholics) to remove the Latinizations and rediscover our own traditions. You can throw your unapproved apparitions’ threats at us all you like; we’re sticking with the Pope.

Puzzled by the phrase of ‘threats from unapproved apparitions’ - since AFIK, Lourdes, Fatima , even Kibeho are all approved for all Catholics ; feeling threatened , when there are no threats of any sort , only certain observations - guess words of Bl.John Paul 11 takes on deeper meaning -'be not afraid ’ !

Hope all of us would be attuned to most such relevant messages from the Holy Fathers , not just certain ones only !

God Bless !

 

[theistgal]

Puzzled by the phrase of ‘threats from unapproved apparitions’ - since AFIK, Lourdes, Fatima , even Kibeho are all approved for all Catholics ; feeling threatened , when there are no threats of any sort , only certain observations - guess words of Bl.John Paul 11 takes on deeper meaning -'be not afraid ’ !

Hope all of us would be attuned to most such relevant messages from the Holy Fathers , not just certain ones only !

God Bless !

You’re correct about those. But remember that “approved” doesn’t equal “required”. Once again (as you’ve been told multiple times), NO Catholic is required to pray the Rosary or any other devotion. And EC’s have many of their own devotions to the Theotokos which they don’t insist that every Catholic MUST pray.

Though frankly I wish those who want to make us feel like we’re somehow less devoted to Mary than Westerners would attend an Akathist service sometime!!

 

[Josephene]

You’re correct about those. But remember that “approved” doesn’t equal “required”. Once again (as you’ve been told multiple times), NO Catholic is required to pray the Rosary or any other devotion. And EC’s have many of their own devotions to the Theotokos which they don’t insist that every Catholic MUST pray.

Though frankly I wish those who want to make us feel like we’re somehow less devoted to Mary than Westerners would attend an Akathist service sometime!!

A little twisting of words and contexts and unfounded accusations about
expectations/ demands to do ‘wrong devotions’ etc : …

The issue of apparitions( and related devotions ) was brought up, only as support for
that oneness of hearts, that The Spirit seems to desire for Catholics ( and hopefully others too ) by acceptance of the Dogmas ;

the mention of the blessings from such , cited in the article in the previous post on such ,should have let things to rest and the intent clear , except for the challenges and contentions and disparaging remarks about being latinised etc :, in these matters -

well, another likely effect of the ’ umarisation ’ !

Mercy !

 

[theistgal]

A little twisting of words and contexts and unfounded accusations about
expectations/ demands to do ‘wrong devotions’ etc : …

The issue of apparitions( and related devotions ) was brought up, only as support for
that oneness of hearts, that The Spirit seems to desire for Catholics ( and hopefully others too ) by acceptance of the Dogmas ;

the mention of the blessings from such , cited in the article in the previous post on such ,should have let things to rest and the intent clear , except for the challenges and contentions and disparaging remarks about being latinised etc :, in these matters -

well, another likely effect of the ’ umarisation ’ !

Mercy !

Have you ever prayed the Akathist to the Virgin Mary? If not, why not? The Spirit seems to desire that Catholics pray it whenever possible, because it is an ancient devotion to the Blessed Virgin. So why haven’t you prayed it?

Hail, O Bride and Maiden ever-pure!

 

[Josephene]

Have you ever prayed the Akathist to the Virgin Mary? If not, why not? The Spirit seems to desire that Catholics pray it whenever possible, because it is an ancient devotion to the Blessed Virgin. So why haven’t you prayed it?

Hail, O Bride and Maiden ever-pure!

Good !

Keep up the good work ( in a bit less intimidating tone , esp. since that tone quite doesn’t sound like coming from The Spirit but rather more from the U - team )

With you tube and such , not hard to follow any devotions these days …

and may you be blessed for the zeal of bringing it up !

 

[theistgal]

Good !

Keep up the good work ( in a bit less intimidating tone , esp. since that tone quite doesn’t sound like coming from The Spirit but rather more from the U - team )

With you tube and such , not hard to follow any devotions these days …

and may you be blessed for the zeal of bringing it up !

I’m ignoring you now.

 

[Peter_J]

Hi Josephene.

I trust we can all agree that neither side has a monopoly on making mistakes, or even willfully doing wrong. I don’t want to say too much here (for one thing, I don’t know whether your conversation with Zekaria predates this thread) but from what I’m reading here the interchange seems heated to a troubling degree (no pun intended).

Looking at your posts specifically, I would just like to point out that a number of things you said are vague but suggestive, thus leaving them open to be interpreted as innocent, or as offensive.

 

[Zekariya]

Hi Josephene.

I trust we can all agree that neither side has a monopoly on making mistakes, or even willfully doing wrong. I don’t want to say too much here (for one thing, I don’t know whether your conversation with Zekaria predates this thread) but from what I’m reading here the interchange seems heated to a troubling degree (no pun intended).

Looking at your posts specifically, I would just like to point out that a number of things you said are vague but suggestive, thus leaving them open to be interpreted as innocent, or as offensive.

The conversation does not predate this thread.