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on the Holy Father’s call , for fasting and prayer, to support the people of Syria and to prevent widening of the war - themes that are of common interest to us all , that possibly also would help to make us ’ one ’ , as desired by our Lord Himself .

Interestingly, there are fasting retreats ( water only) that lasts whole weekends of 2- 3days , attracting young people too and doing so , in community , possibly more effective, atleast for those not so used to the discipline.

Hopefully , many among the young and old too , would accept this call by the Holy Father with enough ardour , to find same as even life changing , to get priorities in better order and to help become free , from chastisements of hardening of hearts .

Peace !
 
A blessed Feast of St.Ignatius of Antioch , to all - may his prayers help us all, with loving courage , to help to heal and repent for the powers / lions , that want to tear up the Body of Christ - His Church or in our own personal lives …that The Spirit would help us , to bring life and love , to those areas that might have been torn off …so that we would not be afraid to see the God given roles of those in authority , in The Church or of the dignity and love , for each !

Yest . would have been the 35th aniiv.of the Papacy of John Paul 11 ( as well as Feast of St.Margaret Mary of Sacred Heart devotion ) - the former too , a martyr for faith , like St.Ignatius , who, through his promotion of the truth of His mercy , drawing persons to the Sacred Heart , to remind us that The Lord loves us enough, to give us the grace, to be holy , to ovecome much !.

Good thing that The Church and all who love Her , have so much to be thankful for these days - the upcoming Canonisations of the two holy Popes, the Consecration to The Immaculate Heart , by the Holy Father , that invoked the maternal protection on all, esp. the little, the poor , the sinner …

ewtn.com/library/CHISTORY/ZIMMACON.HTM - citing this good article, that clarfies well , the events related to the Dogma of Immaculate Conception .

The two Popes to be canonised are related to Vatican 11 , in a special way ; the closing date of the Council was on the 111 st Anniv. of the declaration of the above Dogma , thus , possibly showing us the uninterrupted flow of the guidance of the Spirit , in all these important events ; such an awareness can help us , to accept what the Church wants us to have, with trusting grateful hearts, thus , may be to let The Spirit to have more of a role , esp. in unity , from Antioch to Rome and all around , in all our lives !

God Bless us all !
 
Josephene said:
Yest . would have been the 35th aniiv.of the Papacy of John Paul 11 ( as well as Feast of St.Margaret Mary of Sacred Heart devotion ) - the former too , a martyr for faith , like St.Ignatius , who, through his promotion of the truth of His mercy , drawing persons to the Sacred Heart , to remind us that The Lord loves us enough, to give us the grace, to be holy , to ovecome much !.
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Have a joyous feast day!

By the way, Blessed Pope John Paul II did not die a martyr. 🤷 St Ignatius of Antioch was martyred by the Romans in the Coliseum for his faith. 🙂
 
Zekariya said:
Have a joyous feast day!

By the way, Blessed Pope John Paul II did not die a martyr. 🤷 St Ignatius of Antioch was martyred by the Romans in the Coliseum for his faith. 🙂
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Well…welll… since we in The East have been shown The Way , to be above too strict semantics, esp. as a means for unity , guess we can choose to agree or not , regarding the above and leave it up to who ever needs to define such better
and apply same , for Godly purposes - 🙂

catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0576.html

Trying to find more about the term ‘martyr’ , came across the above article , on the diffrences between the way that phrase is understood , in those who have been blessed to take in the truths revealed about The Father’ s Love , for His children , in The Lord , who , through the atoning sacrifice ,has redeemed us from enemy claims and ways , giving us grace and power in The Spirit , to bring the light of that love into more hearts , to take in how much each of us is loved - from a Lord who even tells us that what we do to the least , we do to Him .

The irony in the belief of those who uphold the teachings , mentioned in the above article , that it is a tenet of the faith, to do away with all non believeres / infidels - would it not be that , they are then obligated to do away with all those , starting with themselves or any in their own families and kin , who do not uphold to such a belief - this to include children too , before they can be brought to accept such !

Rather ,let us hope , they can gratefully accept and recognise that , the repugnance of such a belief might be a sign of already being able to see the light !!

Again, prayers of St.Ignatius ( and of other heroic witnesses of faith and love ) who most likely prayed for those who threw him to the lions , may it be with all the descendants too !
 
Josephene said:
Well…welll… since we in The East have been shown The Way , to be above too strict semantics, esp. as a means for unity , guess we can choose to agree or not , regarding the above and leave it up to who ever needs to define such better
and apply same , for Godly purposes - 🙂

catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0576.html

Trying to find more about the term ‘martyr’ , came across the above article , on the diffrences between the way that phrase is understood , in those who have been blessed to take in the truths revealed about The Father’ s Love , for His children , in The Lord , who , through the atoning sacrifice ,has redeemed us from enemy claims and ways , giving us grace and power in The Spirit , to bring the light of that love into more hearts , to take in how much each of us is loved - from a Lord who even tells us that what we do to the least , we do to Him .

The irony in the belief of those who uphold the teachings , mentioned in the above article , that it is a tenet of the faith, to do away with all non believeres / infidels - would it not be that , they are then obligated to do away with all those , starting with themselves or any in their own families and kin , who do not uphold to such a belief - this to include children too , before they can be brought to accept such !

Rather ,let us hope , they can gratefully accept and recognise that , the repugnance of such a belief might be a sign of already being able to see the light !!

Again, prayers of St.Ignatius ( and of other heroic witnesses of faith and love ) who most likely prayed for those who threw him to the lions , may it be with all the descendants too !
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The Catholic Encyclopedia’s explanation of martyr shows that the East and the West shared the same understanding of the term in the year 1910: newadvent.org/cathen/09736b.htm Did the West really change what it means to be a Saint-Martyr? 🤷 When did they “redefine” its meaning?
 
’ Mary, concieved without sin, pray for us who have recourse to Thee (and pray for those who do not have recourse to Thee ’ ) - is the prayer associated with the ‘medal from heaven’ , as the Miraculous Medal is called and closely associated with Lourdes and the Immaculate Conception .

As we know , Pope Emeritus Benedict resigned on Feb 11- Feast of Our Lady of Lourdes and there were sort of ‘signs’ - the thunder around the Vatican Dome etc : associated with the event , for those who want to see same as such .

Could it be that , these events are calling us , for healings in the whole area of communication , at all levels , since , the events related to the Immaculate Conception itself can be seen as an event of almost prefect communication , between two holy persons -parents of Bl.Mother, with God and each other . .

Our modern times are in the flood of what is often spewed forth by the enemy , leaving persons unable to hear and read at a heart level or with terrible misreadings .
This also pertaining to that second heart , in women - the womb , that , in turn ,also leaves deep wounds of missing or false communication , with its related effects ,
of broken hearts at all ages and relationships !

Ironically, there are those wounds , of inadequate understanding / aceptance , related to these Dogmas , in the very heart of The Church even !

Vatican 11 , is also another area of miscommunication that also seems related to this Dogma , as mentioned in a previous post and rumblings from the those who seem to misread the contents , adding to the wounds .

Bl.Mother is said to be the one who helped the physician St.Luke , to take in the events related to our Lord and write the gospel narratives - Feast is today .

Those unasked for graces , of which she mentions to St.Katherine - may we be blessed to recognise and ask for same ardently , so that , the The Spirit , who brings the joy of being in touch with all that is of and from Him, in its clear and clean joy , can flow through many hearts ,to mend and heal , regardless of identity of other kinds or even time spans !

St.Luke , pray for us !

Peace !
 
Josephene said:
’ Mary, concieved without sin, pray for us who have recourse to Thee (and pray for those who do not have recourse to Thee ’ ) - is the prayer associated with the ‘medal from heaven’ , as the Miraculous Medal is called and closely associated with Lourdes and the Immaculate Conception .

As we know , Pope Emeritus Benedict resigned on Feb 11- Feast of Our Lady of Lourdes and there were sort of ‘signs’ - the thunder around the Vatican Dome etc : associated with the event , for those who want to see same as such .

Could it be that , these events are calling us , for healings in the whole area of communication , at all levels , since , the events related to the Immaculate Conception itself can be seen as an event of almost prefect communication , between two holy persons -parents of Bl.Mother, with God and each other . .

Our modern times are in the flood of what is often spewed forth by the enemy , leaving persons unable to hear and read at a heart level or with terrible misreadings .
This also pertaining to that second heart , in women - the womb , that , in turn ,also leaves deep wounds of missing or false communication , with its related effects ,
of broken hearts at all ages and relationships !

Ironically, there are those wounds , of inadequate understanding / aceptance , related to these Dogmas , in the very heart of The Church even !

Vatican 11 , is also another area of miscommunication that also seems related to this Dogma , as mentioned in a previous post and rumblings from the those who seem to misread the contents , adding to the wounds .

Bl.Mother is said to be the one who helped the physician St.Luke , to take in the events related to our Lord and write the gospel narratives - Feast is today .

Those unasked for graces , of which she mentions to St.Katherine - may we be blessed to recognise and ask for same ardently , so that , the The Spirit , who brings the joy of being in touch with all that is of and from Him, in its clear and clean joy , can flow through many hearts ,to mend and heal , regardless of identity of other kinds or even time spans !

St.Luke , pray for us !

Peace !
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And this has to do with the topic “Are Eastern Catholics “Roman Catholic”?” … how? :confused:
 
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ewtn.com/library/CHISTORY/ZIMMACON.HTM - citing this good article, that clarfies well , the events related to the Dogma of Immaculate Conception .

The two Popes to be canonised are related to Vatican 11 , in a special way ; the closing date of the Council was on the 111 st Anniv. of the declaration of the above Dogma , thus , possibly showing us the uninterrupted flow of the guidance of the Spirit , in all these important events ; such an awareness can help us , to accept what the Church wants us to have, with trusting grateful hearts, thus , may be to let The Spirit to have more of a role , esp. in unity , from Antioch to Rome and all around , in all our lives !

God Bless us all !

Quoting the above again , with the hope that , unfounded fears of ’ Latinisations’ would not deprive us, who are of the Universal Church , of those blessings and graces , that can help us to stay more footted in our own faith traditions , even with the intent that, that , in turn would help us to do better , our loving responsibilty , in the role of New Evangelisation, in our adopted homelands too , which , in turn can help our own Churches as well - The Lord is generous !

After all, we are not a people who threatens death, to those who use the God given right and freedom, to relish and share truth and goodness , esp. in areas and events that are to be so dear and precious !

Such a view might be what also would help our young , to be able to breathe with two lungs , to drink in more of the healing, life giving waters of The Spirit , in unity -
like 2/11 - 🙂

Peace !
 
theistgal said:
And this has to do with the topic “Are Eastern Catholics “Roman Catholic”?” … how? :confused:
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Good question. The post you quoted, along with the one after your post, seem to be bordering on “spam”.
 
Apologies , to those who are suffering from percieved incoherence or misunderstood ‘spam’ attacks by the posts .

May The Precious Blood be there to cleanse and heal any deeper hatreds of whatever origin !

Peace !
 
Josephene said:
Apologies , to those who are suffering from percieved incoherence or misunderstood ‘spam’ attacks by the posts .

May The Precious Blood be there to cleanse and heal any deeper hatreds of whatever origin !

Peace !
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No hatred here. I disagree with your calling Bl John Paul II a martyr. He was not killed for the Faith. And the Catholic Church never proclaimed him a martyr. Also, by your definition of martyr, St Francis of Assisi and many others should be called a martyr but they are not.
 
Josephene said:
Well…welll… since we in The East have been shown The Way , to be above too strict semantics, esp. as a means for unity , guess we can choose to agree or not , regarding the above and leave it up to who ever needs to define such better
and apply same , for Godly purposes - 🙂

catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0576.html

Had hoped that the above , as well as the last part of the article
would have cleared up the matter sufficiently .

Good to be reminded too , that even the Holy Father , in the footsteps of our Lord Himself , gets misunderstood plenty -

themoynihanletters.com/from-the-desk-of/letter-90-editorial-on-popes-interview

good article, that helps to clarify an area of ongoing contention / fears - in area of Papal infallibilty , on how narrow that definition is .

usccb.org/bible/readings/102313.cfm

Gospel readings , above - Peter is told by The Lord, what it is , to be the good and faithful steward , who brings out the food allowance at the proper time, to be put in charge of more .

Good thing that we are under care of faithful stewards who do so , to keep us away from ’ brood of vipers’ - a snake that supposedly kills off the mother , when born
( pardon me, if this info is incorrect ; as mentioned in previous posts , by those who seem to know better , these posts are from ( very ) limited understandings of things , but felt to be may be of interest and use, in bringing a bit more truth and light .)

And The Lord’s words of caution, thus understandable , in a clearer context as well as the symbolism, in the image of The Immculate Conception, with the snake , under the feet of The Woman !

As to a practical matter , the Eastern Catholic Churches ( as well as others ) , atleast here in the U.S., may be can use the Papal initiative of fasting prayer , along with their own good Patrimony in this area and with good clean hearts that love The Church, do regular such services in their own churches, inviting young and old of both traditions , for a Sat . half day , 3/4th day - of chants of psalms, praise , followed by visits to local nursing home , for small prayer service as well as small entertainment program by the kids etc : .

May there be prayers of St.Joseph , to help the dreams into reality !

Peace !
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Josephene said:
Josephene;11311076:
Well…welll… since we in The East have been shown The Way , to be above too strict semantics, esp. as a means for unity , guess we can choose to agree or not , regarding the above and leave it up to who ever needs to define such better
and apply same , for Godly purposes - 🙂

catholiceducation.org/articles/religion/re0576.html
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Had hoped that the above , as well as the last part of the article
would have cleared up the matter sufficiently .

And I hoped that you could understand the difference between being killed for professing Christ (which is the Baptism of Blood) and dying a normal death. The Catholic Church NEVER proclaimed Bl Pope John Paul a martyr. Also, your loose definition of martyr would make most of the saints martyrs (St Francis, Pope St Pius X, etc, etc).

St Ignatius of Antioch received the Baptism of Blood. Bl Pope John Paul did not receive the Baptism of Blood. This is the difference. 🙂
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Sharing these too , as areas of common interest to us all and what has been gathered at random -

with Halloween around the corner , one way for those who try to help the children to be part of the same , but in a more Christian context could be , to use it as an occasion , to share sacramentals , esp. the Miraculous Medal

( available , in bulk - amm.org/store.aspx?categoryid=34&panel=1 )

This medal , in one sense , is like the Jesus prayer , except in the form of a sacramental ; in the former , addressing The Lord as ’ Son of David ', we are being reminded of our kinship ,with The Lord ( AFIK ) and thus , even a generational healing prayer may be .

The prayer - ’ O , Mary , concieved without sin , pray for us’ of the M.M . is also invoking the blessings and glory, from God, through the lines of Anne and Joachim , who were holy enough , to bring forth The Woman , in total holiness and love ( and free of the post fall carnality / 'user ’ mindset ) , who , in turn , could give consent , in freedom and holiness, for The Incarnation .

Our modern times are times of vast challenges and destruction , esp. in marriages , brought about by the excesses of carnality and all that comes with it !

Bl.John Paul 11 is said to have mentioned of the need for children , to be mindful and grateful , for our own origin , in our parents .

The reminder , with gratitude , of the holiness and love with which our Bl.Mother came to be , in the Immaculate Conception , can be an occasion , to bring into depth of our hearts , that same love and unity that many yearn for , in parents, in marriages, for sake of children and this Dogma and the medal , thus may to serve as a means to access such graces , to make up for lacks / breaks of same for whatever reason !

Could it be that, the above are aslo the means ( in light of Bl.Mother’s words of ‘unasked for graces’ ) and part of the remedy ( in the context of Christin faith, of course ) for the vast ills / lonliness and relationship problems , such as for the millions of the ummarried , who are now in Asian countries such as China and Japan or even for those who are wrongly attached , in our own midst !

And would these be what Heaven wanted us to be reminded of , by the events of 2/11 /13 with regard to the Papacy too and a reason why this Dogma also has met with resistance , since , may be ’ someone ’ knows that the unity of minds and hearts on this, would not be good for its purposes !

Yet , everyone of us , as a child of Mary , can claim that love and unity too, of her family lines as well , and wish for same for each other , as beautifully and powerfully demonstrated by the Holy Father , in the recent prayer of Consecration !

Peace !
 
Oct.28th, we would be celebrating Feasts of St.Jude and Simon - loved in both East and West ; found out only recently that St.Jude is thought to have had grandsons -

catholic-pages.com/saints/st_jude.asp

and may be a good saint to invoke , esp. in our times , for help in taking the lives and families back to God ,esp. for the sake of coming generations , a theme that seems to be dear to the Holy Father too , as evidenced by the attention he is paying same , through the recent Synod and such .

Many in The East possibly still dealing with effects of how cultural powers, might have undermined the Churches of good devotions , such as the Rosary , Stations of The Cross ( would it be that who ever was behind such moves knew what they were up to , in efforts to undermine faith !)

Well, may be efforts to take /make Halloween more in line with the last day of the month devoted to Our Lady of Rosary would be a means, to help to take the culture back …

The parents of Bl.Mother , Anne and Joachim are very much part of the ’ halo ’ and its eve associated with Bl.Mother and a New Testament couple that possibly embody married love to the best .

Celebrating their holy union , thanking The Lord for the holy love in many past generations too , might all be means to look deeper and foster the ’ halos ’ that we too are to help with !

The Book ‘Song of Songs’ might be there , for help in such a celebration of the heart too ; like the Psalms written by David, yet prophetic of later times , esp. with regard to life of The Lord, these writings attributed to Solomon too could have multiple roles, such as in celebrating married love in all cultures ( as well as mystical union of the soul , as has been extensively written about, by saints ) and may be even pertain somewhat , to the lives of Sts Ann and Joachim too , who is said to have had an older daughter , before they concieve Bl.Mother - latter, after much prayers etc and in more mystical manner ( ? with a higher form of joy / ecstacy as is said to be of spiritual joys , compared to more carnal kind . ) .

Interestingly , the ’ vineyards of EinGedi’ is mentioned in the Song of Songs and tradition holds how family of St.Ann could have been of the Essenes who lived in the area !

Thus, hoping that those who hold traditions as dear , would be blessed with the events and prayers of these grandparents , in all our lives - rejoicing in the God given joys of their lives , which, inturn can spill over into more hearts , in our lives too , to strenghen family ties , to bring sense of rootedness and strenght of familial goodness , to the young, who can be the ‘halos’ of the coming years !

Peace !
 
Josephene said:
Many in The East possibly still dealing with effects of how cultural powers, might have undermined the Churches of good devotions , such as the Rosary , Stations of The Cross ( would it be that who ever was behind such moves knew what they were up to , in efforts to undermine faith !)
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St Pachomios the Great (c. AD 292 - 348) is the first person to use a knotted rope to count his prayers and this spread from the deserts to the rest of the Christian world. The Rosary is a Western devotion that grew from the evolution of the prayer rope in the West.

In the East, we use the prayer rope to pray and meditate on the Jesus Prayer: “Lord, Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.” We pray this prayer 33, 50, 100, 150, or 300 times counting the knots of the prayer rope.

The Rosary and the Stations of the Cross are wonderful Western devotions.
The Jesus Prayer and the Akathist Hymn to the Mother of God are wonderful Eastern devotions.

I do not accuse the West of undermining the Latin Church of good devotions such as the Jesus Prayer, the Akathist Hymn to the Mother of God, etc, etc.

Please stop with you patronizing and demeaning attitude toward the Eastern Catholic Churches. Our Eastern devotions are just as powerful and important as the Western ones. Our Eastern Churches are just as Catholic as the Western ones. Our Eastern traditions are just as valid as the Western ones.
 
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Please stop with you patronizing and demeaning attitude

Our Eastern devotions are just as powerful and important as the Western ones.

The patronising and demeaning attitude might be, classifying categorically certain practices as ’ right ’ / Eastern and 'orthodox ’ , only fit for such and such , denying history such as how the Stations of The Cross devotion came to be , from the bl.Mother herself etc . and allowing such attitudes to contaminate other areas as well , possibly from having taken in too much of what the term orthodox means , which , in directly is telling the other Churches that they are not !

And even as of The East , we have difft. backgrounds and related roles ,also related to less intrusions from powers hostile to the faith itself too ; if incapable of listening to other’s efforts to share such views with respect , without efforts at ( ? familiar ) intimidation tactics , please refrain !
 
Josephene said:
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Please stop with you patronizing and demeaning attitude

Our Eastern devotions are just as powerful and important as the Western ones.
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The patronising and demeaning attitude might be, classifying categorically certain practices as ’ right ’ / Eastern and 'orthodox ’ , only fit for such and such , denying history such as how the Stations of The Cross devotion came to be , from the bl.Mother herself etc . and allowing such attitudes to contaminate other areas as well , to some extent , may be from having taken in too much of what the term orthodox means , which ,
in directly could be telling the other Churches that they are not !

And even as of The East , we have difft. backgrounds and related roles ,also related to less intrusions from powers hostile to the faith itself too ; if incapable of listening to other’s efforts to share such views with respect , without efforts at ( ? familiar ) intimidation tactics , please refrain !
 
Josephene said:
The patronising and demeaning attitude might be, classifying categorically certain practices as ’ right ’ / Eastern and 'orthodox ’ , only fit for such and such , denying history such as how the Stations of The Cross devotion came to be , from the bl.Mother herself etc . and allowing such attitudes to contaminate other areas as well , to some extent , may be from having taken in too much of what the term orthodox means , which ,
in directly could be telling the other Churches that they are not !

And even as of The East , we have difft. backgrounds and related roles ,also related to less intrusions from powers hostile to the faith itself too ; if incapable of listening to other’s efforts to share such views with respect , without efforts at ( ? familiar ) intimidation tactics , please refrain !
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Any evidence for that (that the Stations came from the Theotokos)?
 
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