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In 2 Maccabees 12:38-46, 38So Judas having gathered together his army, came into the city Odollam: and when the seventh day came, they purified themselves according to the custom, and kept the sabbath in the place.39And the day following Judas cam with his company, to take away the bodies of them that were slain, and to bury them with their kinsmen, in the sepulchres of their fathers.40And they found under the coats o the slain some of the donaries of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbiddeth the Jews: 41Then they all blessed the just judgment of the Lord, who had discovered the things that were hidden. 42And so betaking themselves to prayers, they besought him, that the sin which had been committed might be forgotten. But the most valiant Judas exhorted the people to keep themselves from sin, forasmuch as they saw before their eyes what had happened, because of the sins of those that were slain. 43And making a gathering, he twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection, 44(For if he had not hoped that the that were slain should rise again, it would have seemed superfluous and vain to pray for the dead,) 45And because he considered that the who had fallen asleep with godliness, had great grace laid up for them.46It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.
In 2 Maccabees 12:38-46, Judas Maccabee orders that sacrifices be offered in the Temple in Jerusalem for slain Jewish soldiers who had worn pagan amulets (good-luck charms).
Yes, I know Martin Luther took this out of the Protestant Bible, but by who’s authority God’s of his?
The Jews believed in praying for the dead, St. Paul, also prays for his friend Onesiphorus who died in 2 Timothy 1:18 The Lord grant unto him to find mercy of the Lord in that day: and in how many things he ministered unto me at Ephesus, thou very well knowest.
If Onesiphorus, was a good man like Apostle Paul stated and obviously he died in Christ, then why should St Paul “Pray” for Onesiphorus that “The Lord grant unto him Mercy in that day”? This is a claim to purgatory.
Many say there is no need to pray for the dead, are they right or wrong? Maccabees and St. Paul the Apostle proves them wrong who believethere is no need to pray for the dead. like it says in 2 Maccabees .46It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.
Purgatory is God’s Mercy for those who died in His Grace however having venial sins a sin that does not lead to death for there is two kinds of sin one unto death and the the other not unto death it says so in John 5:16 16 He that knoweth his brother to sin a sin which is not to death, “let him ask”, and life shall be given to him, who sinneth not to death. There is a sin unto death: for that I say not that any man ask. 17 All iniquity is sin. And there is a sin unto death.
“LET HIM ASK” ? Who is St. John referring to? It is the Brother who sees his brother in sin who does the asking/praying to God so that God, can free his brother whether in purgatory or in life here on earth.
Death = Hell! A sin which is not to death does not Equal Hell, but one must still pay for their transgressions here in this life time and if one does not fully, they do in purgatory… Now the sin that leads to Death well, again, Death equals Hell Fire.
Isaiah 22: 14 My ears have had this revelation from Yahweh Saboth: ‘Most certainly this sin will not be atoned for, until you die’ says the Lord Yahweh Saboth.
"This sin will not be “Atoned for until you die” This person above in Isaiah, will Atone for his sins after he dies, it can only mean Purgatory where else can he atone for his sins? In Hell? No! Can he atone for his sins in heaven? No! Why? we all know nothing with an addiction to sin can enter Heaven. This Revelation to Isaiah from God was Just that a Revelation of the Meaning of the word Purgatory. Amen
Definition of Atone: To make amends can the Person that Isaiah talking about Atone/to make amends in hell? Again no! But he surely can Atone/Make Amends in Purgatory
Jesus Christ says in Matt 12: 32 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.
Jesus Christ says “it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world or in the next” Why would Jesus Christ say this if there is no forgiveness in the world(Heaven) to come? Truth is there is still forgiveness after death for those who did not commit a sin unto death and this Mercy is called Purgatory.
I know to many this will go in one ear and out the next! It has been said that many Protestant in Purgatory don’t have their families praying for them here on earth, they stay there the longest, suffering for their transgressions** “until they pay the last penny.” **Praying for your loved ones Mother, Father, Sister, Brother, Family and Friends who died with a sin that leads, not into death pray for them they want you to pray for them, pray for them as did St. Paul did for Onesiphorus. they will thank you.
Yes, true the word Purgatory is not written in the Bible, but the meaning of it IS!
Ufam Tobie
In 2 Maccabees 12:38-46, Judas Maccabee orders that sacrifices be offered in the Temple in Jerusalem for slain Jewish soldiers who had worn pagan amulets (good-luck charms).
Yes, I know Martin Luther took this out of the Protestant Bible, but by who’s authority God’s of his?
The Jews believed in praying for the dead, St. Paul, also prays for his friend Onesiphorus who died in 2 Timothy 1:18 The Lord grant unto him to find mercy of the Lord in that day: and in how many things he ministered unto me at Ephesus, thou very well knowest.
If Onesiphorus, was a good man like Apostle Paul stated and obviously he died in Christ, then why should St Paul “Pray” for Onesiphorus that “The Lord grant unto him Mercy in that day”? This is a claim to purgatory.
Many say there is no need to pray for the dead, are they right or wrong? Maccabees and St. Paul the Apostle proves them wrong who believethere is no need to pray for the dead. like it says in 2 Maccabees .46It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.
Purgatory is God’s Mercy for those who died in His Grace however having venial sins a sin that does not lead to death for there is two kinds of sin one unto death and the the other not unto death it says so in John 5:16 16 He that knoweth his brother to sin a sin which is not to death, “let him ask”, and life shall be given to him, who sinneth not to death. There is a sin unto death: for that I say not that any man ask. 17 All iniquity is sin. And there is a sin unto death.
“LET HIM ASK” ? Who is St. John referring to? It is the Brother who sees his brother in sin who does the asking/praying to God so that God, can free his brother whether in purgatory or in life here on earth.
Death = Hell! A sin which is not to death does not Equal Hell, but one must still pay for their transgressions here in this life time and if one does not fully, they do in purgatory… Now the sin that leads to Death well, again, Death equals Hell Fire.
Isaiah 22: 14 My ears have had this revelation from Yahweh Saboth: ‘Most certainly this sin will not be atoned for, until you die’ says the Lord Yahweh Saboth.
"This sin will not be “Atoned for until you die” This person above in Isaiah, will Atone for his sins after he dies, it can only mean Purgatory where else can he atone for his sins? In Hell? No! Can he atone for his sins in heaven? No! Why? we all know nothing with an addiction to sin can enter Heaven. This Revelation to Isaiah from God was Just that a Revelation of the Meaning of the word Purgatory. Amen
Definition of Atone: To make amends can the Person that Isaiah talking about Atone/to make amends in hell? Again no! But he surely can Atone/Make Amends in Purgatory
Jesus Christ says in Matt 12: 32 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come.
Jesus Christ says “it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world or in the next” Why would Jesus Christ say this if there is no forgiveness in the world(Heaven) to come? Truth is there is still forgiveness after death for those who did not commit a sin unto death and this Mercy is called Purgatory.
I know to many this will go in one ear and out the next! It has been said that many Protestant in Purgatory don’t have their families praying for them here on earth, they stay there the longest, suffering for their transgressions** “until they pay the last penny.” **Praying for your loved ones Mother, Father, Sister, Brother, Family and Friends who died with a sin that leads, not into death pray for them they want you to pray for them, pray for them as did St. Paul did for Onesiphorus. they will thank you.
Yes, true the word Purgatory is not written in the Bible, but the meaning of it IS!
Ufam Tobie
