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<<< Not to add any confusion, but I will. There are some that talk about tradition which I think is good, but then we add the EXTRA prayer from Fatima and we accept that without a problem. >>>>
Holy Mother the Church has Approved the Apparitions of the Blessed Virgin Mary at Fatima. So WE didnt add those prayers - OUR LADY did. That is a distinction you seem to have missed.
<<<When one of the most influential Popes of all times ( referred by some as JP ll The Great ) suggests that we add the Luminous Mysteries perhaps we should listen.>>>>
Since when is any Pope or EVERY POPE combined greater than the Mother of GOD? Dont get me wrong - all prayer is good. But the 15 Promises to those who piously pray the Holy Rosary daily were promised to those who recite the 15 Mystery Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary by the Mother of GOD herself. So once you comply with what the Mother of GOD has requested we do as a minimum - why then could we not than after it is completed - then pray the Lumenous Mysteries if this is what you want to do or any other prayer? You see - I dont see why Catholics today always look to do the minimum - the least they can get away with. Or to replace what the Mother of GOD has requested with new mysteries and then not pray the mysteries she has requested. So perhaps we should not only listen - but do more than the minimum IMO.
In the CCC (2682 ) we are reminded that we pray in communion with The Blessed Mother about Jesus in which She points to and asks us to reflect on HIM. Praying the rosary was a way of praying the Liturgy of the Hours, without having to know all the prayers. Praying the rosary is a way of reading/meditating on scripture. The Luminous Mysteries are just an additional reading from scripture … it adds … not detracts from your prayer life.
Mal: Well you bring up a good point that the Holy Rosary is all encompassing. Yes we have to meditate and physically recite the prayers so that our prayer is both Spiritual and Physical simultaneously. I dont have an issue with people praying them. I just have an issue with people assuming that because they pray those mysteries that they do not think they have to pray the Joyful Mysteries on thursday as well to comply with our Ladys Request. When Our Lady made the promises she didnt mention JPII nor did JPII ever say that the Blessed Virgin Mary appeared to him nor is their a miracle attributed to the revelation of the Lumenous mysteries.
One more point, but not to be rude or condescending , but I believe that the rosary came from our Lord and He asked His Mother to promote this prayer so that many could have His story available to them at all times even when they might be unable to read or even have a priest available for the Holy Mass and for teaching. Just my humble opinion.
Mal: Everything comes from Our LORD. And I completely agree with this. The Blessed Virgin Mary doesnt do anything to detract from her Divine Son - everything she does is to Glorify HIM. And yes as described earrlier - the Rosary has its roots in the Psalter.
Holy Mother the Church has Approved the Apparitions of the Blessed Virgin Mary at Fatima. So WE didnt add those prayers - OUR LADY did. That is a distinction you seem to have missed.
<<<When one of the most influential Popes of all times ( referred by some as JP ll The Great ) suggests that we add the Luminous Mysteries perhaps we should listen.>>>>
Since when is any Pope or EVERY POPE combined greater than the Mother of GOD? Dont get me wrong - all prayer is good. But the 15 Promises to those who piously pray the Holy Rosary daily were promised to those who recite the 15 Mystery Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary by the Mother of GOD herself. So once you comply with what the Mother of GOD has requested we do as a minimum - why then could we not than after it is completed - then pray the Lumenous Mysteries if this is what you want to do or any other prayer? You see - I dont see why Catholics today always look to do the minimum - the least they can get away with. Or to replace what the Mother of GOD has requested with new mysteries and then not pray the mysteries she has requested. So perhaps we should not only listen - but do more than the minimum IMO.
In the CCC (2682 ) we are reminded that we pray in communion with The Blessed Mother about Jesus in which She points to and asks us to reflect on HIM. Praying the rosary was a way of praying the Liturgy of the Hours, without having to know all the prayers. Praying the rosary is a way of reading/meditating on scripture. The Luminous Mysteries are just an additional reading from scripture … it adds … not detracts from your prayer life.
Mal: Well you bring up a good point that the Holy Rosary is all encompassing. Yes we have to meditate and physically recite the prayers so that our prayer is both Spiritual and Physical simultaneously. I dont have an issue with people praying them. I just have an issue with people assuming that because they pray those mysteries that they do not think they have to pray the Joyful Mysteries on thursday as well to comply with our Ladys Request. When Our Lady made the promises she didnt mention JPII nor did JPII ever say that the Blessed Virgin Mary appeared to him nor is their a miracle attributed to the revelation of the Lumenous mysteries.
One more point, but not to be rude or condescending , but I believe that the rosary came from our Lord and He asked His Mother to promote this prayer so that many could have His story available to them at all times even when they might be unable to read or even have a priest available for the Holy Mass and for teaching. Just my humble opinion.
Mal: Everything comes from Our LORD. And I completely agree with this. The Blessed Virgin Mary doesnt do anything to detract from her Divine Son - everything she does is to Glorify HIM. And yes as described earrlier - the Rosary has its roots in the Psalter.