Praying to others besides "God"

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A LOT of people here really need to look up the word “prayer” in the dictionary before they go any farther… Many of the arguments presented here are based on false assumptions of what prayer can and cannot mean.
 
Jedda said:
What are those quotes supposed to prove?
Just because Paul wanted him family to pray for him? that is kind of different than getting on your knees and praying to him.
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Note once again the words “to” and “for”
 
Jedda said:
Praying for him is not the same as to him for help.
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Catholics consider “praying” to have 2 meanings.

The first one is it means “to talk to” or “converse with”.

So “praying” to Mary is “talking” to her, and telling her what our troubles are.

Whilst “praying” to Mary, we tell her what we want from Almighty God, so that she can “pray” (talk) to God too, and ask Him to help us.

We know God does not NEED others to help Him out, but isn’t it nice when help is provided?

We consider it lovely too to “pray”(talk) to all the Saints in Heaven, as they are our friends and family, who most often than not went through specific problems that we do now.

It is nice to “talk”(pray) to someone sometimes who has experienced the same stuff as you.

I hope that has cleared it up a bit.
 
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To one and all. If you are a believer, you will. If you are not, you won’t. I choose to believe!
 
Jayda said:
hola Jedda

Catholics believe in two kinds of revelation… Holy Scripture and Sacred Tradition…

Sacred Tradition should be enough to sufficiently answer this question… but that is not a matter, there are examples of intercession through the dead in scripture too.

scripture tells us that the prayers from the righteous are most powerful (James 5:16), this is important because it answers “why” a person may wish to have intercession.

dead righteous people have blessed the Israelite army (2 Maccabees) and a man (who was dead) interceded through Abraham (who was dead) to ask that he be relieved (Luke 16:19-31)… it was not granted.

death is not the end… it is just a transition, it is a fundamental belief in Christianity that the dead are not snuffed out of existance.

que Dios te bendiga
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I would go one step further, dead righteous people are not dead at all, in fact, they are much more alive then we who remain in these sagging tents!
 
dolphinlove said:
Jedda,
What is the meaning of tawassul?
If you are struggling so much with this, look that up!
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Ive given you plenty of explanations out of the bible through this thread, but yet its still not good enough for you.
Then when I gave you examples, you still wanted more.
Im not giving up, but what is the use of talking in circles?
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hola dolphinlove

i am Jayda, the person who asked the original question is Jedda… i’m the one who was talking about tawassul, i only brought it up to try and explain to her that muslims have this practice too… maybe she could ask her husband about it.

lol but we are different people… i think Jedda right now is agnostic, somebody who believes in God but has serious (and valid) questions about organized religions based on revelations, that compell her to not commit to one at this time. i am a mexican american Catholic… so that pretty much speaks for itself 😉

for everybody: maybe we could all be more patient with Jedda’s questions… why become indignant just because she doesn’t understand something? it’s not like she is being unreasonable… if she did not want to know then she would not ask…

Dominus Vobiscum
 
Sajona said:
They are not dead…so nice try!
Did Jesus pray to his grandfather or Adam?
Where is this unbreakable connection talked about in the bible?
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They are more alive then you and I. We are dead in comparison. If you are in heaven, you are very much alive otherwise you would have to conclude that God, Jesus, and the Angels are dead as well.
 
We’ll leave it at that. The circles of discussion are dizzying.

Thank you for your participation in this thread.
 
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