Praying to Saints

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Friends, Lets calm down here. We all seek the same thing. Lets get there together, and not stir trouble.
 
For all of you who are concerned with time, it stands to reason, that God has created “laws” in nature, or “frameworks” from which the world around us, the Universe, takes it’s shape and continues to function. The rules WE create to explain God’s framework are our man-made “constructs” to explain the world around us, scientific processes, etc. God’s ways are not our ways, and since the frameworks he has laid are HIS business, and HIS ways, then it is near impossible without God to explain them. To this day we still try. To this day we still fail. We may have a good idea, but we are not perfect, and neither will our own answers be.

We can only think about such things with our finite minds. We think linearly because we exist linearly. The only thing we need to really understand is that God does not. He can see things from all perspectives, from all of time, and there is no way that we could comprehend that fully.

Also, to say that the Heaven’s were not opened up, causing Moses and Elijah to not be able to appear is silly. I think everyone here can see that. So what does it mean for Heaven to be closed? Are we just assuming that Heaven would be inaccessible? Are we that foolish to jump to conclusions? Let’s think about it. If the Heavens were closed to EVERYTHING, how did the angels come down to perform their tasks? How did even Jesus himself end up in the womb of Mary? Why would such a thing, that doesn’t limit Christ or the angels limit Saints?
 
This thread is not about time, God being outside of time or when Heaven was opened, nor is it about physics or ideas from sci-fi entertainment. This thread is about praying to the saints. Can we please get back to this topic which the Op asking in a very charitable way and for which is appears that he came to a better understand of why and how Catholic pray to saints.
 
rpp said:
This thread is not about time, God being outside of time or when Heaven was opened, nor is it about physics or ideas from sci-fi entertainment. This thread is about praying to the saints. Can we please get back to this topic which the Op asking in a very charitable way and for which is appears that he came to a better understand of why and how Catholic pray to saints.
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No, this is not about time. But my previous post still helps to understand how Jesus was able to speak with Moses and Elijah, who are VERY much saints, as they are part of those who are called out, the ecclesia. They were instrunment in God’s plans. So, in other words it is on topic.
 
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No, this is not about time. But my previous post still helps to understand how Jesus was able to speak with Moses and Elijah, who are VERY much saints, as they are part of those who are called out, the ecclesia. They were instrunment in God’s plans. So, in other words it is on topic.
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This thread is about praying to saints, not about science fiction. If you want to post about science fiction, start a different thread. Forum rules require that we stay on topic. Your twisting of words notwithstanding. You posts are utterly off topic and prompte theology as science fiction. What are you, a sock puppet?
 
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This thread is about praying to saints, not about science fiction. If you want to post about science fiction, start a different thread. Forum rules require that we stay on topic. Your twisting of words notwithstanding. You posts are utterly off topic and prompte theology as science fiction. What are you, a sock puppet?
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I’m sorry, but from what I understand, the Church teaches that God is outside of time, he is eternal. None of what I have said is science fiction, unless you wish to call the Bible science fiction? The Bible says that God’s ways are not our ways. All I did was present a view that can give insight as to how Jesus spoke to Moses and Elijah while the heavens were closed. And to be honest, I left it at that. You keep drudging it up.

Now, as for asking of the Saints, the passage starting in 1 Corinthians 12:12, it speaks about the body, the Church. The Church is one body, but has many parts. If you read this passage, and you have the understanding that even the dead in Christ are still a part of the body (Paul speaks of this), you will begin to see how trying to separate our deceased brethren from that body, as STILL a working member, is not only wrong, but foolish. The Saints in heaven still have a job to do as members of the one body, united through Christ’s blood.
 
kobudodave said:
I’m sorry, but from what I understand, the Church teaches that God is outside of time, he is eternal. None of what I have said is science fiction, unless you wish to call the Bible science fiction? The Bible says that God’s ways are not our ways. All I did was present a view that can give insight as to how Jesus spoke to Moses and Elijah while the heavens were closed. And to be honest, I left it at that. You keep drudging it up.

Now, as for asking of the Saints, the passage starting in 1 Corinthians 12:12, it speaks about the body, the Church. The Church is one body, but has many parts. If you read this passage, and you have the understanding that even the dead in Christ are still a part of the body (Paul speaks of this), you will begin to see how trying to separate our deceased brethren from that body, as STILL a working member, is not only wrong, but foolish. The Saints in heaven still have a job to do as members of the one body, united through Christ’s blood.
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Again, this trhread is not about sci-fi or the sock-puppet argumant and attacks you make you make on me. You are off topic. Stop posting your sci-fi fantiasies and either start posting abpit praying to saint or, and this is preferable, stop posting.

You are a sock puppet. Which, like hijackng a thread, is also against forum rules.
 
There is nothing wrong to ask intercessions of saints.

Look these verses:Psalm 103, Ps. 103:20–21, Rev. 5:8, Psalm 30:4, Psalm 132:16, Romans 8:27, Ephesians 6:18, Revelation 5:8, Revelation 8:4, 1 Kings 13:6, Ephesians 2:19

Psalm 30:4, Psalm 52:9, Psalm 116:15, Psalm 132:16, Psalm 148:14, Psalm 149:1, Daniel 7:18, Daniel 7:27, Romans 1:7, Romans 8:27, 1 Corinthians 6:1, 1 Corinthians 6:2, 1 Corinthians 16:15, 2 Corinthians 8:4, Ephesians 1:18, Ephesians 3:18, Ephesians 6:18, Philippians 4:21, Colossians 1:4, Colossians 1:12, Colossians 1:26, Revelation 5:8, Revelation 8:3, Revelation 8:4
 
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